Klaus wrote:
That should be interesting!
If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I
would
love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in the
hell are those people that think they can tell me I can't construct a
marslander out of a ford taurus? Or
On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:22:46 -0700
Josh Rehman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Klaus wrote:
That should be interesting!
If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I
would
love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in
the hell are those people that
The issue is not the modification of the hardware, per se, but rather
the data that can then be pirated after the modification is made.
Therefore, the one alternative is to limit piracy. In order to do that,
strict policing of data streams is necessary.
This is a logic conclusion only if
also sprach Oleg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.1952 +0200]:
I'm curious, do you know of any standard benchmark reports of Linux
on XBox such as LAPACK [1], kernel compilation, etc. Have you done
any yourself?
Not yet.
What system bus and what type of RAM does an XBox use?
I think it's
also sprach Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.2330 +0200]:
Yes, it is, but that doesn't make it any less of a reality. As for who
these people are, I believe the term is politician.
Why the fuck are we accepting this? The next person to say democracy
will get my foot up their
also sprach Alex Malinovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.04.0006 +0200]:
Unfortunately, I think that MS could make a justifiable claim that
they are losing money. X-Boxen are sold below cost for maximum
market pentration.
That *should* be illegal.
Anyway, I ain't fighting M$ with the law as
On Friday 04 October 2002 02:49 am, martin f krafft wrote:
With this thread, I am trying to achieve two things:
- create a strategy to create one such cluster, or find technical
arguments against a cluster built on XBoxes.
- show Hanspeter what an excellent mailing list debian-user
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 10:18:07AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
It's in Switzerland where the DMCA (luckily) doesn't apply.
You might even be lucky enough to evade the EUCD, then, which is not
that far off ...
No such luck. The Swiss signed on
also sprach ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.04.1311 +0200]:
have you checked out xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/articles.php? there's also
www.xboxhacker.net
Yes, thanks, they are on our resources list.
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also sprach Keith Willoughby [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.04.1432 +0200]:
No such luck. The Swiss signed on to the EU recently.
You're not thinking of their joining the United Nations, are you?
Yes. See my other message.
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The Housing Associations he is talking about are private associations of
homeowners. He agreed to abide by their rules when he bought his house.
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I didn't agree to shit, try finding a house out here in California that
deFreese, Barry wrote:
I didn't agree to shit, try finding a house out here in California that
doesn't have an association.
You had a choice. You could have simply not bought that house. I
wouldn't have.
As for finding houses without housing associations, it's not at all
difficult. You just
On 0, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
also sprach Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.2330 +0200]:
Yes, it is, but that doesn't make it any less of a reality. As for who
these people are, I believe the term is politician.
Why the fuck are we accepting this? The next
On Thursday 03 October 2002 01:49 am, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Oleg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.0048 +0200]:
Firstly, you need a mod chip for each Xbox. Secondly, you need to
install them into each Xbox. Thirdly, how many Xboxes, mod chips,
expensive Myrinet networks, and how
Shyamal Prasad wrote:
vanilli == vanilli vanillicat writes:
vanilli How is it illegal to use hardware that he legally owns?
Since I live in the USA, the legality of my using my DVD ROM drive to
watch legally obtained DVDs under Linux is at best questionable, and
probably
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 10:02:22PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote:
The controller ports are electrically compatible with USB, you just need
to adapt the physical plug. A guy at my local LUG solved this by
soldering a normal USB port on a cable to the back of one of the
controller ports. I'd hate to
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 07:55:12AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.0456 +0200]:
Depending on where you live (and in some cases where you travel)
there's this nasty thing called the DMCA. Some might interpret the
modification of the
also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.1118 +0200]:
You might even be lucky enough to evade the EUCD, then, which is not
that far off ...
So being German, I am interested. How the hell can anyone make it
illegal for me to modify the product I legally bought to do the legal
also sprach Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.1028 +0200]:
I would think Microsoft would have to be giving away XBoxen to you for
you to properly make that claim. Or is that what happened and they
just don't know that Linux will be used yet?
It's not a claim that I'll make official.
also sprach Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.1024 +0200]:
At what point in history did everybody forget that a tower is
essentially just an AT case with the rubber feet on the wrong side and
a different power supply?
What's your point?
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On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:42:08PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.1118 +0200]:
You might even be lucky enough to evade the EUCD, then, which is not
that far off ...
So being German, I am interested. How the hell can anyone make it
also sprach Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.1346 +0200]:
I can't imagine a single law that would forbid me to do something with
a product I acquired, as long as that something isn't in disagreement
with the law.
Isn't that in general the nature of a _law_?
It isn't
also sprach Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.1030 +0200]:
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 10:02:22PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote:
The controller ports are electrically compatible with USB, you just need
to adapt the physical plug. A guy at my local LUG solved this by
soldering a normal USB
On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 17:49, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote:
[snip]
Ugh. I have to tell you, why is everyone so damned worried about why
would you want to do it.
Why? Because it's possible.
That's not a very good reason for a University to spend it's limited
amount of public money...
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On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 07:13, Colin Watson wrote:
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:42:08PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.1118 +0200]:
You might even be lucky enough to evade the EUCD, then, which is not
that far off ...
So being
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:46:04AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 17:49, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote:
[snip]
Ugh. I have to tell you, why is everyone so damned worried about why
would you want to do it.
Why? Because it's possible.
That's not a very good reason for
On Thursday 03 October 2002 05:41 am, martin f krafft wrote:
Sure, the two 2GHz
processors will be done blazingly fast, but if you're talking about
something not quite as computationally intensive as graphics or some
other major matrix calculation, then the 700 MHz may well compare.
It's
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:16:10 +0200 martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I am not planing on harming Micro$oft. I am buying their product, just
not for the usage that they would like to see. I am not going to
reverse-engineer and I am not going to pirate anything or otherwise
damage their
On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 07:13, Colin Watson wrote:
Ever heard of the term circumvention, as applied to copy-prevention
techniques? See the URL you quoted, chapter III, article 6.
So as long as he's not playing pirated
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:31:54 -0500
Jamin W.Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 07:13, Colin Watson wrote:
Ever heard of the term circumvention, as applied to
copy-prevention techniques? See the URL
That should be interesting!
If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I would
love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in the
hell are those people that think they can tell me I can't construct a
marslander out of a ford taurus? Or use a piece of
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 11:28, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote:
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:46:04AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 17:49, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote:
[snip]
Ugh. I have to tell you, why is everyone so damned worried about why
would you want to do it.
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:41:52 -0300 Klaus Imgrund
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That should be interesting!
If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I would
love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in the
hell are those people that think they can tell
On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote:
On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 07:13, Colin Watson wrote:
Ever heard of the term circumvention, as applied to copy-prevention
techniques? See the URL you quoted, chapter
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 04:01:48PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 11:28, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote:
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:46:04AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 17:49, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote:
[snip]
Ugh. I have to tell you, why is
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:02, ben wrote:
On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote:
On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not quite. As I understand it, the XBox has hardware to restrict the
execution of code to that signed and authorized by
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:06:04 -0500
Alex Malinovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:02, ben wrote:
On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote:
On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Not quite. As I understand it, the
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:02:25 -0700 ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
surely, m(acro)$ would have to show that martin's manipulation of the
xbox caused them real financial loss in order to prove a violation of
patents or copyrights.
That's the catch though. From what I've seen of the DMCA and
On Thursday 03 October 2002 03:06 pm, Alex Malinovich wrote:
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:02, ben wrote:
On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote:
On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Not quite. As I understand it, the XBox has hardware
On Thursday 03 October 2002 03:46 pm, Jamin W.Collins wrote:
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:02:25 -0700 ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
surely, m(acro)$ would have to show that martin's manipulation of the
xbox caused them real financial loss in order to prove a violation of
patents or copyrights.
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 04:39:53PM -0700, ben wrote:
On Thursday 03 October 2002 03:46 pm, Jamin W.Collins wrote:
I'm not sure they do. From Chapter III Article 6 (brief snippets, see
article for complete version):
| 1. Member States shall provide adequate legal protection against the
On 0, Klaus Imgrund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:06:04 -0500
Alex Malinovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
Unfortunately, I think that MS could make a justifiable claim that
they are losing money. X-Boxen are sold below cost for maximum market
pentration. The idea
On 0, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
It isn't illegal to play records backwards.
Then, am I going against the law if I rewire my record player to turn
the record the other way?
No, but you're probably breaking your needle ;-)
Tom
--
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Information Technology
On 0, deFreese, Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That should be interesting!
If that thing ever gets put together and M$ thinks it is illegal I would
love to see a court battle over that in an european court. Who in the
hell are those people that think they can tell me I can't construct a
Tom writes:
Man, and you guys call this the land of freedom?
The Housing Associations he is talking about are private associations of
homeowners. He agreed to abide by their rules when he bought his house.
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On Thursday 03 October 2002 03:06 pm, Alex Malinovich wrote:
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 17:02, ben wrote:
On Thursday 03 October 2002 11:31 am, Jamin W.Collins wrote:
On 03 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Not
On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 05:40, martin f krafft wrote:
hi there,
we would like to set up about 100 Microsoft X-Boxes in a cluster
configuration running Debian. I have heard that they work with Debian
GNU/Linux and thus we are quite happily willing to take on the
challenge of making them all
also sprach Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.02.1253 +0200]:
I think you have to buy special (read: expensive) USB keyboards
and mice for the Xbox.
One more reason to boot off the network or a CDR.
Do you already have the 100 Xboxen? Those $199 Wal-Mart specials
look pretty
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/10/2002 (13:03) :
Do you already have the 100 Xboxen? Those $199 Wal-Mart specials
look pretty interesting, but that's still $20,000 for 100 of them...
If the university pays, I'll happily oblige. If people have other
suggestions (PS2) that
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 05:53:56AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
I think you have to buy special (read: expensive) USB keyboards
and mice for the Xbox.
The controller ports are electrically compatible with USB, you just need
to adapt the physical plug. A guy at my local LUG solved this by
also sprach Preben Randhol [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.02.1429 +0200]:
If the university pays, I'll happily oblige. If people have other
suggestions (PS2) that they can back up with solid arguments, we're
happy to listen.
Why does a university buy xbox?
Because it's a cheap P3-700 that
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 01:48 pm, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Preben Randhol [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.02.1429 +0200]:
If the university pays, I'll happily oblige. If people have other
suggestions (PS2) that they can back up with solid arguments, we're
happy to listen.
Oleg writes:
I refuse to believe this nonsense. What university is this, and what
public grant will pay for the illegal use of hardware?
Illegal how?
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also sprach Oleg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.02. +0200]:
I refuse to believe this nonsense. What university is this, and what
public grant will pay for the illegal use of hardware?
illegal use of hardware ???
show me the law that i am breaking, please!
Even from a purely practical point
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 04:47 pm, martin f krafft wrote:
Where else do you get a 700 MHz P3 with 64Mb and 8Gb hdd with network
support for $200? Aside, Debian runs on it, so why worry?
Firstly, you need a mod chip for each Xbox. Secondly, you need to install
them into each Xbox. Thirdly,
Firstly, you need a mod chip for each Xbox. Secondly, you need to install
them into each Xbox. Thirdly, how many Xboxes, mod chips, expensive Myrinet
networks, and how much labor would it take to replace *one* dual Athlon 4?
Striclty speaking, for some hard problems, where connectivity
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:16:58 -0400 vanillicat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How is it illegal to use hardware that he legally owns?
Depending on where you live (and in some cases where you travel) there's
this nasty thing called the DMCA. Some might interpret the modification
of the box a violation
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/10/2002 (07:10) :
Because it's a cheap P3-700 that we can put into a cluster for
evolutionary computation.
Are you sure it isn't for devolutionary gaming ;-)
I find this hard to believe.
Preben
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also sprach Oleg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.0048 +0200]:
Firstly, you need a mod chip for each Xbox. Secondly, you need to
install them into each Xbox. Thirdly, how many Xboxes, mod chips,
expensive Myrinet networks, and how much labor would it take to
replace *one* dual Athlon 4?
These
also sprach Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002.10.03.0456 +0200]:
Depending on where you live (and in some cases where you travel)
there's this nasty thing called the DMCA. Some might interpret the
modification of the box a violation of the DMCA. However, IANAL.
It's in Switzerland
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