>> In any case, you may notice that I have quietly dropped the sig. Fuck
>> it, I'll miss a message here or there, but it's better than pissing
>> everybody off. I had no idea that would be the case.
>
>
>
> You can't please all the people all the time.
> If you modify your actions every time some
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:15:22 +0300
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Hello Dotan,
> I have seen the UK electrical mains connectors. I would have to admit
> that our standards are well below UK levels!
Mains electrics are covered by different regulations. Certainly,
however, our mains connectors seem to be am
> Looking like that, it'd be virtually unsaleable here, unless it was
> sold in kit form.
>
> "Here" being the UK.
>
I have seen the UK electrical mains connectors. I would have to admit
that our standards are well below UK levels!
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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:08:22 +0300
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Hello Dotan,
> Well, production in this case is not "people will die if it fails" so
> it is passable for his needs.
:-)
> > Unless, that is, Dotan stripped the unit to take the photograph.
> No, actually, that is how it came!
Looking like
>> Not only that, but it's definitely not "production ready". Almost
>
> I've seen far worse in production equipment. OTOH, without a case, it
> does look far from professional.
>
Well, production in this case is not "people will die if it fails" so
it is passable for his needs.
> Unless, that
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:01:56 -0500
Ron Johnson wrote:
Hello Ron,
> Not only that, but it's definitely not "production ready". Almost
I've seen far worse in production equipment. OTOH, without a case, it
does look far from professional.
Unless, that is, Dotan stripped the unit to take the ph
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 01:48:30AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
. . .
>
> In any case, you may notice that I have quietly dropped the sig. Fuck
> it, I'll miss a message here or there, but it's better than pissing
> everybody off. I had no idea that would be the case.
>
Well, I'm not everybody.
On 04/23/2010 07:04 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Thanks, Kevin and Brad. I now have a good starting point, and should
be able to google my way out of the situation.
To clarify, for those who I've confused in the beginning of the thread:
Despite claims by the user that he is connecting USB smart card
r
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:04:22 +0300
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Hello Dotan,
> Thanks, Kevin and Brad. I now have a good starting point, and should
YW. Just glad I could help, albeit in a limited way.
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/ _)radnever immedia
Thanks, Kevin and Brad. I now have a good starting point, and should
be able to google my way out of the situation.
To clarify, for those who I've confused in the beginning of the thread:
Despite claims by the user that he is connecting USB smart card
readers via serial, he has two different types
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 01:40:28 +0300
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Hello Dotan,
> It is where the smart card gets plugged in. They seem like oversized
> SIM cards
Like Kevin said, this thing will need software to drive it. It's not
going to automount like a memory card. His answer is far better than
anyth
> From: Dotan Cohen [mailto:dotanco...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:42 AM
>
> Here is the device:
> http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9641/seriall.jpg
>
> It is a real serial device, no USB.
I don't know a lot about smart cards, but as far as I know, you need software
to commu
>> I still don't get it. And why the snark? Not really called for...
>>
>
> Maybe it was just me.
>
> I felt that by including the Cc: line in his sig. Dotan was dragging out the
> issue of Cc:'ing somebody's INBOX, a very basic etiquette violation, that
> just happen on a different thread. (I d
> Is the big black block a PCMCIA connector, perhaps?
>
It is where the smart card gets plugged in. They seem like oversized SIM cards.
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On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 05:02:02PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> On 4/19/2010 4:29 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >On 2010-04-19 04:24, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
> any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think that
>
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:14:06 +0300
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Hello Dotan,
> This is as zoomed in as it gets:
> http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9030/serial.jpg
I can tell you what the components are (I used to build electronic
circuits for a living);
MAX232 converts TTL voltage levels (5V & 0V nom
>> http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9641/seriall.jpg
>
> Never seen anything like that before. Without the numbers of the ICs, I
> couldn't even hazard a guess.
>
This is as zoomed in as it gets:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9030/serial.jpg
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:41:52 +0300
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Hello Dotan,
> http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9641/seriall.jpg
Never seen anything like that before. Without the numbers of the ICs, I
couldn't even hazard a guess.
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Here is the device:
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9641/seriall.jpg
It is a real serial device, no USB.
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> Indeed. Sounds to me as though Dotan's neighbour isn't all that tech
> savvie.
>
He's not, he's calling _me_ for support! Actually, he is very
knowledgeable in his field, but this is not his field.
It turns out to be a mess of parts. There is the USB card reader that
I mentioned earlier, and a
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:21:12 -0500
Ron Johnson wrote:
Hello Ron,
> Yeah, but this is one of those "release the apple and it falls"
> guesses. *Occasionally* it won't, but usually, like 10 9's, it will.
or as Terry Pratchett puts it;
Nine times out of ten, a million to one shot pays off.
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On 2010-04-20 12:24, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:48:33 -0500
Ron Johnson wrote:
Hello Ron,
That's what OP wrote, but it makes no sense.
Indeed. Sounds to me as though Dotan's neighbour isn't all that tech
savvie.
Again, a bit of guess on my part.
Yeah, but this is one of
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:36:13 -0500
Mark Allums wrote:
Hello Mark,
> Well, I meant a computer on both sides, but it matters not a whit. I
Ah, I see.
> should probably not post (even to make a joke) if I can't actually be
> helpful, it wastes everyone's time.
Jokes are fine. Just make sure
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:48:33 -0500
Ron Johnson wrote:
Hello Ron,
> That's what OP wrote, but it makes no sense.
Indeed. Sounds to me as though Dotan's neighbour isn't all that tech
savvie.
Again, a bit of guess on my part.
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On 4/20/2010 3:07 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:02:25 -0500
Mark Allums wrote:
Hello Mark,
That ought actually to work, if a computer were plugged into the USB
side. Then you would have a very slow transfer cable.
Yes, but AIUI, the computer's on the RS232 side.
Well, I
On 2010-04-20 03:07, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:02:25 -0500
Mark Allums wrote:
Hello Mark,
That ought actually to work, if a computer were plugged into the USB
side. Then you would have a very slow transfer cable.
Yes, but AIUI, the computer's on the RS232 side.
That's wh
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:02:25 -0500
Mark Allums wrote:
Hello Mark,
> That ought actually to work, if a computer were plugged into the USB
> side. Then you would have a very slow transfer cable.
Yes, but AIUI, the computer's on the RS232 side.
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On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 04:12:14AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2010-04-19 02:58, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >>>It's a 2.6 kernel, so Etch.
> >
> >>"Plonk"
> >>
> >
> >Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
> >any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think
On 4/18/2010 3:27 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:15:53 -0500
Ron Johnson wrote:
Hello Ron,
Plz show us a link to a USB adapter that plugs into a PC's serial port.
I've never even looked for one. I'm just going what by Dotan wrote. By
the sounds of it, he's not seen the set
On 4/19/2010 4:29 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 2010-04-19 04:24, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think that
Etch is not up to the task.
You completely missed (probably because gmail's
> Yes. If you used a semi-competent MUA, you'd see that.
>
I know, they all have their tradeoffs. Thanks.
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On 19 April 2010 12:15, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 2010-04-19 02:54, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>>
>>> So, is does this SC reader (a) serial-over-USB or (b) USB-over-serial?
>>>
>>
>> I should imagine (b), but I have not gotten there yet to see.
>>
>
> Then he probably is clueless.
>
Well, he is turning to
On 2010-04-19 04:24, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think that
Etch is not up to the task.
You completely missed (probably because gmail's web interface so incredibly
sucks) why he
>> Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
>> any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think that
>> Etch is not up to the task.
>>
>
> You completely missed (probably because gmail's web interface so incredibly
> sucks) why he's plonking you.
>
He quo
On 2010-04-19 02:54, Dotan Cohen wrote:
So, is does this SC reader (a) serial-over-USB or (b) USB-over-serial?
I should imagine (b), but I have not gotten there yet to see.
Then he probably is clueless.
(a) is common, (b) is what you described, but I've never heard of (b). Are
you sure y
On 2010-04-19 02:58, Dotan Cohen wrote:
It's a 2.6 kernel, so Etch.
"Plonk"
Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think that
Etch is not up to the task.
You completely missed (probably because gmail'
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:09:08 +0300
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Hello Dotan,
> I think that serial doesn't even support some USB features, so I am
More of an issue would be getting the +/-12V from a 5V i/f. Not
impossible, but not cheap when compared with the getting 5V from 12V.
> also doubtful. We'll
>> Plz show us a link to a USB adapter that plugs into a PC's serial port.
>
> I've never even looked for one. I'm just going what by Dotan wrote. By
> the sounds of it, he's not seen the set up yet, anyhow. It could well
> be that his neighbour has got a USB-RS232 adapter plugged in the wrong
>
> It might just be me, but when I head "USB-serial adaptor" I think of
> something like a PL2303 which can be used to attach devices with a
> serial connector to a PC that lacks a serial port. It would be news to
> me if these adaptors worked the other way round, too.
>
> But if it actually works,
>> Why aren't they on real USB, I don't know.
>
> Because the device may expect a USB host controller instead a RS-232 :-?
>
Likely!
>> I am going over there to help
>> him tomorrow, so to come prepared I started googling today. Although the
>> USB-serial adaptors seem to be popular, I find noth
>> It's a 2.6 kernel, so Etch.
>
> "Plonk"
>
Why plonk me? Surely this is not the last Etch machine out there? In
any case, I could probably convince him to upgrade if you think that
Etch is not up to the task.
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> What is unusual is that the page explicitly talks about Linux support and
> seems to have instructions on using it under Linux.
>
The Linux support consists of connecting the device to a Windows
computer, installing some module on the device, then using it in
"module mode". Over the telephone it
> So, is does this SC reader (a) serial-over-USB or (b) USB-over-serial?
>
I should imagine (b), but I have not gotten there yet to see.
> (a) is common, (b) is what you described, but I've never heard of (b). Are
> you sure you wrote what you really mean?
>
No, I have not gotten there yet to
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:15:53 -0500
Ron Johnson wrote:
Hello Ron,
> Plz show us a link to a USB adapter that plugs into a PC's serial port.
I've never even looked for one. I'm just going what by Dotan wrote. By
the sounds of it, he's not seen the set up yet, anyhow. It could well
be that his
On 2010-04-18 14:40, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:20:49 -0300
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
Hello Eduardo,
I see nothing about serial there. Just a plain smart card reader that
connects directly via USB.
True, but Dotan's neighbour has an RS232 to USB adaptor that the reader
is c
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:20:49 -0300
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
Hello Eduardo,
> I see nothing about serial there. Just a plain smart card reader that
> connects directly via USB.
True, but Dotan's neighbour has an RS232 to USB adaptor that the reader
is connected to.
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Dotan Cohen:
>>>
>>> A neighbor with an old Debian (probably etch but could be sarge)
>>> machine needs to know where a USB smart card reader attached via RS232
>>> adaptor
>>
>> Huh???
>
> He's got a few of these connected via serial adaptors:
> http://www.infinityusb.com/default.asp?show=produc
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 22:08:16 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> He's got a few of these connected via serial adaptors:
> http://www.infinityusb.com/default.asp?show=productsdetail&ProductID=12
>
> Why aren't they on real USB, I don't know.
Because the device may expect a USB host controller instead a
On 2010-04-18 14:20, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
On 04/18/2010 04:08 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
He's got a few of these connected via serial adaptors:
http://www.infinityusb.com/default.asp?show=productsdetail&ProductID=12
Why aren't they on real USB, I don't know. I am going over there to
help him
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 07:40:48PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> It's a 2.6 kernel, so Etch.
>
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On 04/18/2010 04:08 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
He's got a few of these connected via serial adaptors:
http://www.infinityusb.com/default.asp?show=productsdetail&ProductID=12
Why aren't they on real USB, I don't know. I am going over there to
help him tomorrow, so to come prepared I started googling
On 2010-04-18 14:08, Dotan Cohen wrote:
A neighbor with an old Debian (probably etch but could be sarge)
machine needs to know where a USB smart card reader attached via RS232
adaptor
Huh???
He's got a few of these connected via serial adaptors:
http://www.infinityusb.com/default.asp?show=pro
>> A neighbor with an old Debian (probably etch but could be sarge)
>> machine needs to know where a USB smart card reader attached via RS232
>> adaptor
>
> Huh???
>
He's got a few of these connected via serial adaptors:
http://www.infinityusb.com/default.asp?show=productsdetail&ProductID=12
Why
On 2010-04-18 11:20, Dotan Cohen wrote:
A neighbor with an old Debian (probably etch but could be sarge)
machine needs to know where a USB smart card reader attached via RS232
adaptor
Huh???
would be found in the filesystem. He went through /dev, with
special attention on the tty* en
It's a 2.6 kernel, so Etch.
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