Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-19 Thread Magossa'nyi A'rpa'd
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Dima wrote: Assuming runlevel is roughly equivalent to state, the above model is a stack of states. A state transition diagram would be a (potentially fully connected) graph of states. (Potentially) what a mess. :) I don't think so. Just because it's potentially fully

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-15 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Richard G. Roberto wrote: On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Donovan Baarda wrote: So excuse me if I have got this wrong, but does that mean going from run level 2 to run level 7 requires running all K* then S* in run level 3, then all K* then S* in run level 4, then all K* then S*

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-15 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Dima wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Manoj Srivastava writes: *Nothing* has an S* in more than one level. A package is meant to be at a certain run level and higher. A level 3 package is started at run level 3, killed in run level 2, and at *no* other level. See

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-15 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote: [...] Manoj Srivastava wrote: You are hereby excused. *Nothing* has an S* in more than one level. A package is meant to be at a certain run level and higher. A level 3 package is started at run level 3, killed in run level 2,

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-15 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On 14 Aug 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Manoj Srivastava writes: *Nothing* has an S* in more than one level. A package is meant to be at a certain run level and higher. A level 3 package is started at run level 3, killed in run level 2, and at *no* other level. See how this works?

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-15 Thread Dima
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Dima wrote: Also, runlevels _are flexible. Nobody can force me to start networking daemons at RL 2 -- I can bloody well start them from ip-up when I ring my ISP, at whatever runlevel I happen to be then. (In practice I don't

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-14 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Richard G. Roberto wrote: On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Peter S Galbraith wrote: There was a discussion about this recently... So I thought I'd mention this: This is posted on cola; looks neat to me: [snip] The premise is that a run level is _clearly defined_ and managed

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-14 Thread Jim Pick
I agree that an x86 only view of the world is stupid. hardware platforms are becoming more meaningless all the time. However, I do belive that it is worth thinking of free standards independantly of comercial standards. Sure we can adopt the commercial standards if they are good enough and

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Donovan == Donovan Baarda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Donovan So excuse me if I have got this wrong, but does that mean Donovan going from run level 2 to run level 7 requires running all K* Donovan then S* in run level 3, then all K* then S* in run level 4, Donovan then all K* then S* in run

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-14 Thread E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)
[...] Manoj Srivastava wrote: You are hereby excused. *Nothing* has an S* in more than one level. A package is meant to be at a certain run level and higher. A level 3 package is started at run level 3, killed in run level 2, and at *no* other level. See how this works?

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-14 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Donovan Baarda wrote: So excuse me if I have got this wrong, but does that mean going from run level 2 to run level 7 requires running all K* then S* in run level 3, then all K* then S* in run level 4, then all K* then S* in run level 5, . all the way up to run level

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-14 Thread jghasler
Manoj Srivastava writes: *Nothing* has an S* in more than one level. A package is meant to be at a certain run level and higher. A level 3 package is started at run level 3, killed in run level 2, and at *no* other level. See how this works? Simple and elegant, but not very flexible. How

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-14 Thread Dima
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Manoj Srivastava writes: *Nothing* has an S* in more than one level. A package is meant to be at a certain run level and higher. A level 3 package is started at run level 3, killed in run level 2, and at *no* other level. See how this works? Simple and elegant,

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-13 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Peter S Galbraith wrote: There was a discussion about this recently... So I thought I'd mention this: This is posted on cola; looks neat to me: rant off This is rediculous. Just don't install the sysv-init stuff and run a bsd init + rc.local. By the by, BSD systems do a

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-13 Thread E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)
[ ... ] If you want to see how its supposed to work, look at Solaris 2.x, Irix 6.x, etc. I've rewritten rc to do just that somewhere, but I wound up having to undo whatever debian does _every time I added a package_! It became too much work, so I bagged it. The premise is that a run

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-13 Thread Dima
E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote: [ ... ] ... I always used to think it was me who didn't get it. I customized one runlevel to run without xdm. I used this runlevel to upgrade XFree86, so that if anything screwed up, I would not have xdm continously restarting a bogus X setup. This can be very

Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]

1997-08-13 Thread Brandon Mitchell
Please note, the current unstable distribution is planning on changing the runlevel setup. To the best of my knowledge, the actual runlevel setup has not been decided upon yet. Unstable will not be released as stable for quite some time though, so don't hold your breath (last guess I heard