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On 05/09/07 05:10, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 07:08:42PM +1000, SB wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
You haven't read the Bible lately, have you?
Does it get updated on a regular basis ?
It is feature complete and bug-free.
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Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 07:08:42PM +1000, SB wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 04:02, Jochen Schulz wrote:
Ron Johnson:
And Christianity teaches love your neighbor as yourself.
That doesn't mean that the humans who
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 05:23:13 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 05:10, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 07:08:42PM +1000, SB wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
You haven't read the Bible lately, have you?
Does it get updated on a regular basis ?
It is feature
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John Fleming wrote:
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Ron
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 05:23:13AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 05:10, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 07:08:42PM +1000, SB wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
You haven't read the Bible lately, have you?
Does it get updated on a regular basis ?
It is feature
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:49:41PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 05:23:13 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 05:10, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 07:08:42PM +1000, SB wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
You haven't read the Bible lately,
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:45:49PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
2) The bible that you refer to is full of contradictions. If one is not
to commit murder, based in the Ten Commandments, then how can a god
request that one sacrifice one's son? That is murder. There are many
more examples, but
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:24:29AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
[snip]
Hello Roberto,
You say:
Well, anything involving people inherently gets fouled up.
Which I totally agree with, but then:
Sure, people can quibble over the meaning of words. But, for example,
the King James Version
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On 05/09/07 08:11, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 05:23:13AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 05:10, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 07:08:42PM +1000, SB wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
You haven't read
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On 05/09/07 05:45, Joe Hart wrote:
[snip]
2) The bible that you refer to is full of contradictions. If one is not
to commit murder, based in the Ten Commandments, then how can a god
request that one sacrifice one's son? That is murder. There are
Am Mittwoch, den 09.05.2007, 08:54 -0500 schrieb Ron Johnson:
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On 05/09/07 08:11, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 05:23:13AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 05:10, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at
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On 05/09/07 08:24, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:45:49PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
2) The bible that you refer to is full of contradictions. If one is not
to commit murder, based in the Ten Commandments, then how can a god
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On 05/09/07 08:24, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
[snip]
3) Anything God does is, by definition, right.
While true from a Believer's POV, relying on it for justification is
an EXTREMELY slippery slope towards theocracy.
1500 years of state involvement
Michael Dominok wrote:
Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
bible(KJV) [Gen1:1] 1king7:23
1 Kings 7
23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the
other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a
line of thirty cubits did
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 04:38:24PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:24:29AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
[snip]
Hello Roberto,
You say:
Well, anything involving people inherently gets fouled up.
Which I totally agree with, but then:
Sure, people can
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please point one out.
Please don't!
It's like trying to explain why some people like vanila while others like
chocolate. To some the very belief in a supreme being is a contradiction.
I personally believe that we are all aliens, derived from some
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:08:28AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
Or better Biblical scholarship.
By using the KJV, you are saying that Biblical scholars have not
learned any more Greek or Hebrew in the past 400 years.
Actually, what I am saying by using the KJV is that no one was come up
with
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:34:56AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 08:24, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
[snip]
3) Anything God does is, by definition, right.
While true from a Believer's POV, relying on it for justification is
an EXTREMELY slippery slope towards theocracy.
Why? I
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:00:39AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
There is great debate as to whether the Hebrew says kill or murder.
Since, in the Old Testament, YHWH (the Tetragrammaton, or Name of
God) both in Law and for conquest tells the Israelites to kill
people, it is logical that the
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:54:57AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 08:11, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 05:23:13AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 05:10, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 07:08:42PM +1000, SB wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:30:36AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
So it seems you put your full trust in those people to make a good
translation. Don't you see a contradiction here?
I do not. I put my full trust in God to accurately preserve His Word.
Seriously, why would I believe
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 10:19:12AM -0500, Gnu_Raiz wrote:
I personally believe that we are all aliens, derived from some super
soup left over from the planets which were created when the galaxy was
formed. I thought from physics and the conservation of energy that
nothing was formed from
On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:04:41 +1000
SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/08/07 19:55, SB wrote:
Celejar wrote:
I don't ignore it; I agree that religion has made ordinary people do
extraordinarily cruel things; my point was that this isn't a problem
exclusive to religion,
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 11:04, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 10:19:12AM -0500, Gnu_Raiz wrote:
I personally believe that we are all aliens, derived from some super
soup left over from the planets which were created when the galaxy was
formed. I thought from physics and the
On 9 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:02:24AM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:
Ron Johnson:
By definition, the natural man is *not* a spritiual man, and hence not
By no means a universally held Christian belief.
On 9 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:49:41PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
...
I seem to remember that there are also a fair number of
contradictions and race conditions between various parts of it.
Please point one out.
Regards,
-Roberto
One
On 9 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:45:49PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
2) The bible that you refer to is full of contradictions. If one is
not to commit murder, based in the Ten Commandments, then how can a
god request that one sacrifice one's son? That is murder.
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:47:47 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:54:57AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 08:11, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 05:23:13AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 05:10, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed,
Florian Kulzer wrote:
Well, since we are getting all scientific, the ratio of the diameter of
a circle to its circumference is in fact 3, if all you have is one
significant digit, which it appears is all we have from the text. Now,
if it said ten point zero zero cubits and five point zero zero
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
Well, since we are getting all scientific, the ratio of the diameter of
a circle to its circumference is in fact 3, if all you have is one
significant digit, which it appears is all we have from the text. Now,
if it said ten point zero zero cubits and five point zero
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:12:05 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:49:41PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 05:23:13 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 05:10, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 07:08:42PM +1000, SB wrote:
Wackojacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
Well, since we are getting all scientific, the ratio of the diameter of
a circle to its circumference is in fact 3, if all you have is one
significant digit, which it appears is all we have from the text. Now,
if it said ten
Amy Templeton wrote:
It now takes place in New Jersey, and
God's character is developed much further (a weird sense of humor
comes through in older, now-deprecated versions, but now the more
twisted elements are highlighted).
I saw New Jersey and I thought sure you were going to refer to the
Andrew J. Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Amy Templeton wrote:
It now takes place in New Jersey, and God's character is
developed much further (a weird sense of humor comes through in
older, now-deprecated versions, but now the more twisted
elements are highlighted).
I saw New Jersey and I
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:59:15PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
That's exactly the point; humans being human, they will do cruel things
even without claiming an exclusive franchise on truth.
Perhaps that is the sort of thing that drives some children to be cruel
to animals. Things like burning
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On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:12:05 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:49:41PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 05:23:13 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:39:59PM -0500, Anson Gardner wrote:
Good idea as far as it goes. I think that like many other things, the choice
(literal, metaphorical) is not really binary. My thoughts on that are that
you have to decide what is meant literally / figuratively based on the
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On 05/09/07 10:47, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:54:57AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 08:11, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 05:23:13AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 05:10, Roberto C.
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 04:12:03PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:02:24AM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:
Ron Johnson:
By definition, the natural man is *not* a spritiual man, and hence not
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Andrew J. Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Amy Templeton wrote:
It now takes place in New Jersey, and God's character is
developed much further (a weird sense of humor comes through in
older, now-deprecated versions,
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On 05/09/07 10:30, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
[snip]
I do not. I put my full trust in God to accurately preserve His Word.
Seriously, why would I believe that God is all powerful yet incapable of
preserving His Word?
Not all words and phrases can
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 04:28:53PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:49:41PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
...
I seem to remember that there are also a fair number of
contradictions and race conditions between various parts
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 10:29:55PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
$ wcalc 10*pi
= 31.4159
The god from the bible can create the universe, but he cannot round to
the nearest integer correctly? Did Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva have to help
him with the delicate balance of the natural constants?
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 04:58:21PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 10:47, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
Well, since we are getting all scientific, the ratio of the diameter of
a circle to its circumference is in fact 3, if all you have is one
significant digit, which it appears is all
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On 05/09/07 10:38, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
[snip]
Do a Google search for Frank Logsdon. Now, read some of the material
there and then tell me what you think.
I read the first 6 Google links.
Lots of duplication and firey rhetoric, but not a
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On 05/09/07 17:15, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 04:58:21PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 10:47, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
Well, since we are getting all scientific, the ratio of the diameter of
a circle to its
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On 05/09/07 10:41, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:34:56AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/09/07 08:24, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
[snip]
3) Anything God does is, by definition, right.
While true from a Believer's POV,
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On 05/09/07 17:04, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 04:12:03PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:02:24AM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:
Ron Johnson:
By definition, the
On Wed, 9 May 2007 16:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It helps to know something of the context when reading the
bible. The people who Abraham lived among (Canaanites, IIRC?),
practiced sacrificed the first fruits to whatever gods they
worshipped. It was not uncommon to
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On 05/09/07 10:19, Gnu_Raiz wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please point one out.
Please don't!
It's like trying to explain why some people like vanila while others like
chocolate. To some the very belief in a supreme
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:00:39AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
There is great debate as to whether the Hebrew says kill or murder.
Since, in the Old Testament, YHWH (the Tetragrammaton, or Name of
God) both in Law and for conquest tells the Israelites to kill
people,
John Fleming wrote:
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On 05/09/07 19:11, SB wrote:
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On 05/09/07 19:10, SB wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:00:39AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
There is great debate as to whether the Hebrew says kill or murder.
Since, in the Old Testament, YHWH (the Tetragrammaton, or Name
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 04:10:42PM -0700, Raquel wrote:
On Wed, 9 May 2007 16:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It helps to know something of the context when reading the
bible. The people who Abraham lived among (Canaanites, IIRC?),
practiced sacrificed the first
On Mon, 7 May 2007 12:37:40 +0200
Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ I was without internet connection over the weekend, therefore I can
only follow up on this now. I don't want to give the impression that I
just wanted to rile people up without really participating in the
Celejar wrote:
I don't ignore it; I agree that religion has made ordinary people do
extraordinarily cruel things; my point was that this isn't a problem
exclusive to religion, but to compelling and convincing axiologies in
general, and I reiterate, would we really be better off without them? I
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On 05/08/07 19:55, SB wrote:
Celejar wrote:
I don't ignore it; I agree that religion has made ordinary people do
extraordinarily cruel things; my point was that this isn't a problem
exclusive to religion, but to compelling and convincing
Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/08/07 19:55, SB wrote:
Celejar wrote:
I don't ignore it; I agree that religion has made ordinary people do
extraordinarily cruel things; my point was that this isn't a problem
exclusive to religion, but to compelling and convincing axiologies in
general, and I
[ I was without internet connection over the weekend, therefore I can
only follow up on this now. I don't want to give the impression that I
just wanted to rile people up without really participating in the
discussion. ]
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 18:20:31 -0400, Celejar wrote:
On Fri, 4 May
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