Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Charlie
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008, Jan Willem Stumpel shared this with us all: >--} So now I am more or less ready to take the plunge. But I would >--} still like some advice. >--} >--} 1. Is it true that ext3 always lets you recover smoothly after a >--}    "freeze and pull the plug", or after a power cut? Or a

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
To the other Mr. Johnson, sorry for the double, I botched the reply/reply to list distinction there. On Jan 19, 2008 12:27 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 01/19/08 13:44, Curt Howland wrote: > > On Saturday 19 January 2008, Jan Willem Stumpel was heard to say: > >> Step 6: type tun

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 02:27:23PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 01/19/08 13:44, Curt Howland wrote: > > If I may interject, creating the journal just creates a blank file. > > So when does the journaling begin? At remount? Perhaps on the next write once it is mounted as ext3? When the journ

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Jan Willem Stumpel
Curt Howland wrote: > If I may interject, creating the journal just creates a blank > file. This would explain why creating the journal does not seem to take any time. But "strings" showed that there was a lot of stuff (at least lots of filenames) in it. Perhaps the journal is *created* as a blan

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/19/08 13:44, Curt Howland wrote: > On Saturday 19 January 2008, Jan Willem Stumpel was heard to say: >> Step 6: type tune2fs -j /dev/hda5. The journal was created >> instantaneously (I'd expected this to take a long time. >> but i

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 19 January 2008, Jan Willem Stumpel was heard to say: > Step 6: type tune2fs -j /dev/hda5. The journal was created > instantaneously (I'd expected this to take a long time. > but it did not). If I may interject, creating th

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Jan Willem Stumpel
Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: > Some steps may have been unnecessary, but it seems I have a > working ext3 system now. It is really easy. The real smoke test > will come, of course, when I pull the plug. Will do this now; if > you do not hear from me, the test will have failed. Thanks to all > who res

Re: Re: Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Jan Willem Stumpel
Paul Johnson wrote: > Step 1: Get root privileges. > Step 2: Type tune2fs -j /dev/whatever > Step 3: Remount the filesystem ext3... I did this, and indeed it was amazingly easy. On a partition of about 24 G (well, this is an *old* disk!) a file /.journal of 128 M (indeed much less than 1%) was cr

Re: Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Jan 19, 2008 9:39 AM, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 02:35:25PM +0100, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: > ... > > > > But sometimes bugs in applications can cause a complete freeze of > > X, incl. keyboard and mouse. It happens to me about once a year, > > un

Re: Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 02:35:25PM +0100, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: ... > > But sometimes bugs in applications can cause a complete freeze of > X, incl. keyboard and mouse. It happens to me about once a year, > unfortunately also yesterday evening. In such a case there is > nothing you can do but

Re: Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Jan 19, 2008 5:35 AM, Jan Willem Stumpel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am especially put off by the Wikipedia article on ext3. It gives > a rather long list of "disadvantages". One of them ("No > checksumming in journal") even sounds pretty frightening. The list > of "advantages" is very short,

Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/19/08 07:35, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: > Александър Л. Димитров wrote: >> Quoth Hugo Vanwoerkom: >>> ext2. Never have used any other. >> I seriously hope that this was a joke... > > Maybe it was, but I never used anything but ext2 either, and th

Re: Re: which to use: ext3, JFS, XFS, ReiserFS? [Was: new userquestion: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-19 Thread Jan Willem Stumpel
Александър Л. Димитров wrote: > Quoth Hugo Vanwoerkom: >> >> ext2. Never have used any other. > > I seriously hope that this was a joke... Maybe it was, but I never used anything but ext2 either, and that is no joke. It has worked fine for many years. I often considered "upgrading" to ext3, but so