Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 21:41 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 18:10 +, Curt wrote: > > 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 090 090 000Old_age Always > >- 7539 > > 193 Load_Cycle_Count0x0032 034 034 000Old_age Always > >-

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 18:10 +, Curt wrote: > 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 090 090 000Old_age Always > - 7539 > 193 Load_Cycle_Count0x0032 034 034 000Old_age Always > - 500820 500820 / 7539 = 66 so around 1 time each minute, but I'

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-23, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 16:30 +, Curt wrote: >> parked/unparked heads once every 8 seconds for the last two years > > And I learn too. Some minutes before I read your mail, my claim would > have been, that it's impossible, that such a drive will last for two

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 16:30 +, Curt wrote: > I'm too embarassed to give you my load cycle count, but if I had as > many euros as I do cycles, I'd be living in luxury down on the Côte > d'Azur. http://www.fishofadifferentcolor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/du-money-bin-play1.jpg http://neamar.

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 16:30 +, Curt wrote: > parked/unparked heads once every 8 seconds for the last two years And I learn too. Some minutes before I read your mail, my claim would have been, that it's impossible, that such a drive will last for two years. On Linux Audio Users mailing list (LA

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-23, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Don't confuse > > 12 Power_Cycle_Count > > with > > 193 Load_Cycle_Count > Well, actually, I just discovered that my Western Digital (WD15EARS) drive suffers from the dreaded Load_Cycle_Count syndrome (parked/unparked heads once every 8 seconds for the last

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 12:44 +, Curt wrote: > On 2013-10-23, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > Isn't that plausible? I'm the source, I care for facts, not for claims > > from vendors. > > >From your favorite company: > > > > Power Cycles. The power cycles indicator counts the > number of times

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-23 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-23, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Isn't that plausible? I'm the source, I care for facts, not for claims > from vendors. >From your favorite company: Power Cycles. The power cycles indicator counts the number of times a drive is powered up and down. In a server-class deployment, in whi

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 17:56 -0400, Celejar wrote: > Do you have reason to believe this, or a source, or are you just > expressing your opinion, unshackled by facts and data? > > Quite likely not, but who said that that will be due to excessive > spinups / spindowns? It's the kind of breakage, the

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-22 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 02:56:12 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 20:33 -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:54:57 +0200 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 18:44 -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:15:06 +0200 > > > > Ralf Mardorf

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 20:33 -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:54:57 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 18:44 -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:15:06 +0200 > > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > Each time you reboot, you harm y

Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-21 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:54:57 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 18:44 -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:15:06 +0200 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > Each time you reboot, you harm your HDDs. > > > > You do? > > Everybody does. The spin downs and spi