Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-27 Thread David Wright
On Sun 27 Dec 2020 at 22:10:53 (+), Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 08:33:26AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 11:01:22 + "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > > > > > > > > Bug??: DI incorrectly detected this machine as having EFI. > > > > > > > At the

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-27 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 08:33:26AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 11:01:22 + > "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > > > > > > > Bug??: DI incorrectly detected this machine as having EFI. > > > > > > > At the beginning? Did you get presented with the UEFI install and did > >

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-27 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 11:01:22 + "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > > Bug!!: I tried loading the firmware for the wifi if. DI asked all > > the right questions, and I gave it all the right answers. But it > > never connected. The dhcp server never got a request, and on the > > target hardware,

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-27 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 11:01:22 + "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > > > > Bug??: DI incorrectly detected this machine as having EFI. > > > > At the beginning? Did you get presented with the UEFI install and did > it try to install grub-efi at the end (or did it just ask whether you > wanted to

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-27 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 03:18:40PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 15:45:37 + > "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > > > > > > Well, that's a good start :) The test suite we used to test for > > stable release CDs is here: > >

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-26 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 15:45:37 + "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > > > Well, that's a good start :) The test suite we used to test for > stable release CDs is here: > https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Buster_r7?highlight=%28testing%29%7C%28cd%29%7C%2810.7%29 First test

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-22 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 01:25:05AM +0100, Linux-Fan wrote: > Andrew M.A. Cater writes: > > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 07:06:45AM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, at 3:48 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > [...] > > > > > If you have "real" 686 32 bit hardware that you

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-21 Thread Linux-Fan
Andrew M.A. Cater writes: On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 07:06:45AM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, at 3:48 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: [...] > > If you have "real" 686 32 bit hardware that you can press into service > > that > > isn't being used: pick up a Debian i386 disk

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-21 Thread Felix Miata
Linux-Fan composed on 2020-12-21 15:44 (UTC+0100): > I have got seven i386 (non-amd64-capable) machines in total, all of which > are known to work with "Debian 10 stable" although not freshly installed but > upgraded from earlier releases. At least two of them can be easily used > for

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-21 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 07:06:45AM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, at 3:48 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:42:41AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > > > On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:42:37 +0200 > > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > > That is, if you and

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-21 Thread Rick Thomas
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, at 3:48 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:42:41AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:42:37 +0200 > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > That is, if you and other list subscribers care about continued i386 > > > support you should

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-21 Thread Linux-Fan
Andrew M.A. Cater writes: On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:42:41AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:42:37 +0200 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > That is, if you and other list subscribers care about continued i386 > > support you should probably look into contributing. > > And how

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-21 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:42:41AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:42:37 +0200 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > That is, if you and other list subscribers care about continued i386 > > support you should probably look into contributing. > > And how does one do that? > > --

Re: FW: Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-16 Thread deloptes
David wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 00:41, deloptes wrote: [snip] > > Some discussion around those questions occurred in the thread from > which Andrei forwarded one message. The thread begins here: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2020/12/msg00139.html > > so that's probably a

Re: FW: Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-15 Thread David
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 00:41, deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Sorry, should have been more explicit: I'm just the messenger here, > > assuming that most debian-user subscribers are probably not following > > debian-devel. > > In my opinion the most important message is this: > >> >

Re: FW: Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-15 Thread tomas
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 02:40:47PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: [...] > > That is, if you and other list subscribers care about continued i386 > > support you should probably look into contributing. > > What does it mean exactly? Contribute how and where? I'd ask in

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-15 Thread Charles Curley
On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:42:37 +0200 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > That is, if you and other list subscribers care about continued i386 > support you should probably look into contributing. And how does one do that? -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com

Re: FW: Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-15 Thread deloptes
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Sorry, should have been more explicit: I'm just the messenger here, > assuming that most debian-user subscribers are probably not following > debian-devel. > this is true - thank you I became aware of the i386 issue on the geode dev news list (AFAIR) some time ago (may

Re: FW: Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 15 dec 20, 11:47:49, deloptes wrote: > > Hi Andrei, > thank you for posting on this very important topic. > > I want to share my experience and view hoping that you draw some useful > conclusions and we can keep i386 in some way available. Sorry, should have been more explicit: I'm just

Re: FW: Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-15 Thread deloptes
Hi Andrei, thank you for posting on this very important topic. I want to share my experience and view hoping that you draw some useful conclusions and we can keep i386 in some way available. Andrei POPESCU wrote: [snip] > > My intuition is also that i386, although becoming less popular, was

FW: Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

2020-12-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
Relevant for those who need i386 support. Kind regards, Andrei - Forwarded message from Russ Allbery - Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:55:49 -0800 From: Russ Allbery To: debian-de...@lists.debian.org, debian-rele...@lists.debian.org, debian...@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Release status