Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-27 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/27 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > - From these articles, I infer that the Swiss secret intelligence >> > service cracked encrypted files in 1-3 years. Maybe they had help >> > from the NSA? Maybe it was weak encryption? Maybe the Swiss >> > decrypters are very good? >> > >> >> Tha

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-27 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 13:11 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/26 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I do not think that they can crack root without my 8 character > >> upper/lower/number password. Can they? How would having my own account > >> help? > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-26 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:18:19AM +0300, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > 2008/6/26 s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Alternatively, one day you may find that your nephew/neice, who you've > > invited in and told about Linux, has cracked root and blown away your > > wife's do

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/26 Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I am partial to computer-generated speech. I use espeak/festival > to announce things(time, battery %). Dont know about non-english speech > support. I also stated to use teamspeak(client & server voice chat) for > long-distance communication. Have it 'on

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/26 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I do not think that they can crack root without my 8 character >> upper/lower/number password. Can they? How would having my own account >> help? > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/16/nuclear.pakistan > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/world/

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-26 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:09:09PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Thanks, all. xmessage seems to work fine for popping up simple > one-liners, which is exactly what I had wanted to do. talk and write > may be of use in the future, however. Thanks. I am partial to computer-generated speech. I use espea

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/26/08 02:18, Dotan Cohen wrote: [snip] > > I do not think that they can crack root without my 8 character > upper/lower/number password. Can they? How would having my own account > help? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/16/nuclear.pakis

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/26 s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Trying to think coherently, ... [How's the weather/shrapnel? :-P] > Hehe, they're both getting hotter. > Think scenarios. What's the screen door on a house good for? It'll > keep out a not too determined paperboy. They also piss off burglars > beca

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-25 Thread s. keeling
Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/6/24 s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > You're that machine's god. That machine's users(! you, her, and root) > > need their god to do the right thing. > > When my users strap bombs to themselves and start blowing up their Trying to think coherently, ..

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-25 Thread s. keeling
Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/6/24 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>> You're that machine's god. That machine's users(! you, her, and root) > >>> need their god to do the right thing. > >> > >> When my users strap bombs to themselves and start blowing up their > >> neighbors in my n

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-25 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 06/24/08 02:02, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > 2008/6/24 s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> You're that machine's god. That machine's users(! you, her, and root) > >> need their god to do the right thing. > > > > When my users strap bombs to themselves and star

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-24 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/24 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> You're that machine's god. That machine's users(! you, her, and root) >>> need their god to do the right thing. >> >> When my users strap bombs to themselves and start blowing up their >> neighbors in my name, I'll set up my own account. That's how it

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-24 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/24/08 02:02, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/24 s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> You're that machine's god. That machine's users(! you, her, and root) >> need their god to do the right thing. > > When my users strap bombs to themselves and start

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-24 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/24 s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > You're that machine's god. That machine's users(! you, her, and root) > need their god to do the right thing. When my users strap bombs to themselves and start blowing up their neighbors in my name, I'll set up my own account. That's how it works, no?

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-23 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/23/08 22:07, Rich Healey wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 06/23/08 21:36, Rich Healey wrote: >>> s. keeling wrote: Rich Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Can't use it with other nix users, (although i'd see them creating new > windows

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-23 Thread Rich Healey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: > On 06/23/08 21:36, Rich Healey wrote: >> s. keeling wrote: >>> Rich Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Can't use it with other nix users, (although i'd see them creating new windows with my statusline), but works great for my

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-23 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/23/08 21:36, Rich Healey wrote: > s. keeling wrote: >> Rich Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Can't use it with other nix users, (although i'd see them creating new >>> windows with my statusline), but works great for my technically >>> illitera

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-23 Thread Rich Healey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 s. keeling wrote: > Rich Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> Can't use it with other nix users, (although i'd see them creating new >> windows with my statusline), but works great for my technically >> illiterate housemate. >> >> That and putting xey

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-23 Thread Rich Healey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 s. keeling wrote: > Rich Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> Can't use it with other nix users, (although i'd see them creating new >> windows with my statusline), but works great for my technically >> illiterate housemate. >> >> That and putting xey

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-23 Thread s. keeling
Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/6/21 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 20:20 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Additionally, should I have a dotan account on that machine I will > >> habitually back it up, and always worry that there are files there > >> that I need

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-23 Thread s. keeling
Rich Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Can't use it with other nix users, (although i'd see them creating new > windows with my statusline), but works great for my technically > illiterate housemate. > > That and putting xeyes all over his desktop remotely is hilarious. Whatever happened to

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-23 Thread s. keeling
elijah r. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:00 PM, i'll teach you to turn away. > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Owen Townend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OT> On 17 Jun 2008 04:01:26 GMT, i'll teach you to turn away. <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> does no one use 't

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-22 Thread Rich Healey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: > On 06/21/08 22:23, Rich Healey wrote: >> Ron Johnson wrote: >>> On 06/20/08 09:12, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/20 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Well, it is a one-user box, > No it's not. Unix hasn't just had "meat

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-21 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/21/08 22:23, Rich Healey wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 06/20/08 09:12, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> 2008/6/20 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Well, it is a one-user box, No it's not. Unix hasn't just had "meat" users in 30 years. If y

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-21 Thread Rich Healey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: > On 06/20/08 09:12, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> 2008/6/20 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Well, it is a one-user box, >>> No it's not. Unix hasn't just had "meat" users in 30 years. If you >>> don't believe me, cat her box's /etc/

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-21 Thread Alex Samad
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:19:04AM -0400, Brian McKee wrote: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 06/20/08 17:09, Dotan Cohen wrote: [snip] > > "Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien." - Voltaire "horses for courses" > > There is a point at which security b

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-21 Thread Brian McKee
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 06/20/08 17:09, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> While I agree that every user of a machine should have his own home >> directory, I am not a user of that machine. I am an administrator >> (ha!) of that machine. > > So what? Since y

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/20/08 17:09, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/21 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 20:20 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> Additionally, should I have a dotan account on that machine I will >>> habitually back it up, and always wo

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-20 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/21 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 20:20 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Additionally, should I have a dotan account on that machine I will >> habitually back it up, and always worry that there are files there >> that I need to know about, and set up the environment ju

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/20/08 16:38, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 20:20 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Additionally, should I have a dotan account on that machine I will >> habitually back it up, and always worry that there are files there >> that I need to

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 20:20 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Additionally, should I have a dotan account on that machine I will > habitually back it up, and always worry that there are files there > that I need to know about, and set up the environment just how I like, > and and and... I don't need any

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-20 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/20 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Even if, in this instance, there's no "harm" (she's you're wife, > after all), it's still Bad Practice, and that makes for Bad Habits. > > In 15 seconds you can create user "dotan" on that machine, and log > in as it, then sudo or su to do whatever you n

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/20/08 09:12, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/20 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Well, it is a one-user box, >> No it's not. Unix hasn't just had "meat" users in 30 years. If you >> don't believe me, cat her box's /etc/passwd. >> > > I meant,

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-20 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/20 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Well, it is a one-user box, > > No it's not. Unix hasn't just had "meat" users in 30 years. If you > don't believe me, cat her box's /etc/passwd. > I meant, the only human user. >> but she is that user! When I SSH in I SS

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-20 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/20 Brian McKee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Darn it, now you've got me digging. I'm sure on an old box I had > (Redhat 7.2 maybe?) wall messages were posted in X as well > automatically. But I can' t figure out how now > It seems my Fedora box is running kwrited which can display messages

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-20 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/20/08 03:12, Dotan Cohen wrote: [snip] > > Well, it is a one-user box, No it's not. Unix hasn't just had "meat" users in 30 years. If you don't believe me, cat her box's /etc/passwd. > but she is that user! When I

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-20 Thread Brian McKee
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:12 AM, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/20 Brian McKee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Does 'sudo wall' work for you? I don't have a machine handy to try - > No, wall is inappropriate because she is in KDE, not a terminal. >> but it used to pop up in X too IIRC >

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-20 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/20 Brian McKee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Does 'sudo wall' work for you? I don't have a machine handy to try - No, wall is inappropriate because she is in KDE, not a terminal. > but it used to pop up in X too IIRC > Sends it to everybody - but if it's a one user box... > Well, it is a one-us

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-19 Thread Rich Healey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 06:01:21PM +, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote: >> Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> MK> Am 2008-06-17 04:01:26, schrieb i'll teach you to turn away.: does no one use

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-19 Thread i'll teach you to turn away.
Owen Townend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OT> On 18 Jun 2008 18:00:44 GMT, i'll teach you to turn away. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> does no one use 'talk' anymore? >> OT> Talking is a viable option, though less convenient depending on the >> OT> distance between the computers. My br

Fwd: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-19 Thread Brian McKee
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The wife uses one computer, I use another. We are both connected to > the internet via a router, as such we can SSH into one another's > boxen. Is there a way to pop up a message on the wife's machine, by > SSHing in and havi

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-19 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/17 Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > From your machine you could do a: > >> ssh root wife-machine -c 'su - wife -c\"echo "I will kill your machine NOW! >> |xmessage -display :0.0 -file -\" && shutdown -r now' > > or: > >apt-get install linpopup > Thanks. Linpopup doesn't quite fi

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-18 Thread Owen Townend
On 18 Jun 2008 18:00:44 GMT, i'll teach you to turn away. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Owen Townend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OT> On 17 Jun 2008 04:01:26 GMT, i'll teach you to turn away. <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> does no one use 'talk' anymore? > > OT> Talking is a viable

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-18 Thread i'll teach you to turn away.
elijah r. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: er> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:00 PM, i'll teach you to turn away. >>i think you're going to have to leave this newsgroup after a >> response like that. er> I don't think that knowing what all the utilities are or how to use er> them should be a prerequis

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-18 Thread elijah r.
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:00 PM, i'll teach you to turn away. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Owen Townend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OT> On 17 Jun 2008 04:01:26 GMT, i'll teach you to turn away. <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> does no one use 'talk' anymore? > OT> Talking is a viable op

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-18 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 06:01:21PM +, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote: > Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MK> Am 2008-06-17 04:01:26, schrieb i'll teach you to turn away.: > >> does no one use 'talk' anymore? > MK> Ehm, this is for the console... Better: xtakl or linpopu

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-18 Thread i'll teach you to turn away.
Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: MK> Am 2008-06-17 04:01:26, schrieb i'll teach you to turn away.: >> does no one use 'talk' anymore? MK> Ehm, this is for the console... Better: xtakl or linpopup does no one use CLI anymore? :D lish

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-18 Thread i'll teach you to turn away.
Owen Townend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OT> On 17 Jun 2008 04:01:26 GMT, i'll teach you to turn away. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> does no one use 'talk' anymore? OT> Talking is a viable option, though less convenient depending on the OT> distance between the computers. My brother and I

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-16 22:07:45, schrieb Daniel Burrows: > I think he means talk(1). > > Package: talk > State: not installed > Version: 0.17-13 > Description: Chat with another user > Talk is a visual communication program which copies lines from your > terminal to that of another user. > > In ord

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-17 04:01:26, schrieb i'll teach you to turn away.: > Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DC> The wife uses one computer, I use another. We are both connected to > DC> the internet via a router, as such we can SSH into one another's > DC> boxen. Is there a way to pop up a message on

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-06-17 01:24:45, schrieb Dotan Cohen: > The wife uses one computer, I use another. We are both connected to > the internet via a router, as such we can SSH into one another's > boxen. Is there a way to pop up a message on the wife's machine, by > SSHing in and having root access. We both use

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-17 Thread Dotan Cohen
Thanks, all. xmessage seems to work fine for popping up simple one-liners, which is exactly what I had wanted to do. talk and write may be of use in the future, however. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Be

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-16 Thread Owen Townend
On 17/06/2008, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 02:41:50PM +1000, Owen Townend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > was heard to say: > > > On 17 Jun 2008 04:01:26 GMT, i'll teach you to turn away. <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-16 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 01:24:45AM +0300, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > The wife uses one computer, I use another. We are both connected to > the internet via a router, as such we can SSH into one another's > boxen. Is there a way to pop up a message on the wife's machine, by

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-16 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 02:41:50PM +1000, Owen Townend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On 17 Jun 2008 04:01:26 GMT, i'll teach you to turn away. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > DC> The wife uses one computer, I use another. We are both connecte

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-16 Thread Rich Healey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Owen Townend wrote: > On 17 Jun 2008 04:01:26 GMT, i'll teach you to turn away. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> DC> The wife uses one computer, I use another. We are both connected to >> DC> the internet via

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-16 Thread Owen Townend
On 17 Jun 2008 04:01:26 GMT, i'll teach you to turn away. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DC> The wife uses one computer, I use another. We are both connected to > DC> the internet via a router, as such we can SSH into one another's > DC> boxen. Is there a

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-16 Thread i'll teach you to turn away.
Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DC> The wife uses one computer, I use another. We are both connected to DC> the internet via a router, as such we can SSH into one another's DC> boxen. Is there a way to pop up a message on the wife's machine, by DC> SSHing in and having root access. We both u

Re: Root sending messages to users

2008-06-16 Thread Alfredo Finelli
On Tuesday 17 June 2008 00:24, Dotan Cohen wrote: > The wife uses one computer, I use another. We are both connected to > the internet via a router, as such we can SSH into one another's > boxen. Is there a way to pop up a message on the wife's machine, by > SSHing in and having root access. We bot

Root sending messages to users

2008-06-16 Thread Dotan Cohen
The wife uses one computer, I use another. We are both connected to the internet via a router, as such we can SSH into one another's boxen. Is there a way to pop up a message on the wife's machine, by SSHing in and having root access. We both use KDE 3.x if it matters. I notice that when I shutdown