Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-22 Thread Joerg Rossdeutscher
Am Dienstag, den 21.06.2005, 21:25 -0400 schrieb Tom Allison: However, I am really not happy with aptitude. I prefered apt-get. Really. But I will give aptitude a chance. I found aptitude to be a pretty nice console tool. But it took me a while to understand how it worked. RTFM

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-22 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 10:36:35AM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Maybe calling apt deprecated was to wrong word, since english is not my native language. What I wanted to say: The installation-docs for sarge clearly say something like Don't use apt-get anymore. It is not good in

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-22 Thread Joerg Rossdeutscher
Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 22.06.2005, 05:57 -0400 schrieb Carl Fink: On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 10:36:35AM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Maybe calling apt deprecated was to wrong word, since english is not my native language. What I wanted to say: The installation-docs for sarge clearly say

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-21 Thread Tom Allison
Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Thanks Kent, that did the trick touch /etc/X11/Xserver followed by apt-get dist-upgrade -f I am still having problems with a few application but at least my installations are not erring out like they were before. Brian From what I found from the Debian Weekly

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-21 Thread Tom Allison
I found that link very interesting: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html Nine reasons why you should be using aptitude instead of apt-get or dselect. However, I am really not happy with aptitude. I prefered apt-get. Really. But I will give aptitude a chance. I found

Re: FW: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-16 Thread Guido Heumann
Michael Martinell schrieb: -Original Message- From: Joerg Rossdeutscher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:15 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! ! AFAIK dselect gets removed from debian. apt-get is deprecated. aptitude

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-15 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 08:12:44AM -0400, Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Kevin, Thanks, for the device. I used a touch command follow by an apt-get mentioned in a previous post to get past that error. I was having problems with Apache, PHP4, proftpd and MySQL. I got past most of those by

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-15 Thread Joerg Rossdeutscher
Hi, Am Montag, den 13.06.2005, 22:33 -0400 schrieb Marty: I don't see anything there about not using dselect. AFAIK dselect gets removed from debian. apt-get is deprecated. aptitude is the tool to be used. Bye, Ratti -- -o) fontlinge | Fontmanagement for Linux | Schriftenverwaltung in

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-15 Thread Andy Smith
On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 09:15:23PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: apt-get is deprecated. Says who? For a distribution upgrade, maybe, but I wasn't aware this was the case for day to day usage. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-15 Thread Thomas Adam
--- Andy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 09:15:23PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: apt-get is deprecated. Says who? For a distribution upgrade, maybe, but I wasn't aware this was the case for day to day usage. It's by no means deprecated when you compare the

FW: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-15 Thread Michael Martinell
-Original Message- From: Joerg Rossdeutscher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:15 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! ! AFAIK dselect gets removed from debian. apt-get is deprecated. aptitude is the tool

Re: FW: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-15 Thread Kent West
Michael Martinell wrote: I sincerely hope that apt-get does not go away. Aptitude has *a long* ways to go before it is very useful to me. It reminds me of dselect - clumsy and not very efficient. I could have a package found and installed using apt-get before I even began to guess which

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-15 Thread Joerg Rossdeutscher
Am Mittwoch, den 15.06.2005, 19:59 + schrieb Andy Smith: On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 09:15:23PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: apt-get is deprecated. Says who? For a distribution upgrade, maybe, but I wasn't aware this was the case for day to day usage. The release notes for sarge say

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-15 Thread Joerg Rossdeutscher
Am Mittwoch, den 15.06.2005, 21:14 +0100 schrieb Thomas Adam: --- Andy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 09:15:23PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: apt-get is deprecated. Says who? For a distribution upgrade, maybe, but I wasn't aware this was the case for

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-15 Thread Joerg Rossdeutscher
Am Mittwoch, den 15.06.2005, 15:52 -0500 schrieb Michael Martinell: From: Joerg Rossdeutscher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AFAIK dselect gets removed from debian. apt-get is deprecated. aptitude is the tool to be used. I sincerely hope that apt-get does not go away. Aptitude has *a

Re: FW: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-15 Thread Greg Madden
On Wednesday 15 June 2005 12:52 pm, Michael Martinell wrote: -Original Message- From: Joerg Rossdeutscher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:15 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! ! AFAIK dselect gets

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-15 Thread Eric P
Craig Russell wrote: Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Help me please! I have mistakenly trusted the Debian community and upgraded to Sarge and it is a DISASTER. HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO US ! ! ! (Reading database ... 70119 files and directories currently installed.) Removing

Re: FW: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-15 Thread Colin Ingram
Greg Madden wrote: On Wednesday 15 June 2005 12:52 pm, Michael Martinell wrote: -Original Message- From: Joerg Rossdeutscher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:15 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! ! AFAIK dselect

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-14 Thread Bob Proulx
Kevin Mark wrote: Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Removing xserver-rage128 ... sed: can't read /etc/X11/Xserver: No such file or directory dpkg: error processing xserver-rage128 (--remove): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 I'd look at the post removal script and

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-14 Thread Brian Kimsey-Hickman
Thanks Kent, that did the trick touch /etc/X11/Xserver followed by apt-get dist-upgrade -f I am still having problems with a few application but at least my installations are not erring out like they were before. Brian

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-14 Thread Brian Kimsey-Hickman
Kevin, Thanks, for the device. I used a touch command follow by an apt-get mentioned in a previous post to get past that error. I was having problems with Apache, PHP4, proftpd and MySQL. I got past most of those by installing the Webmin module which seem to initiated a re-installation of the

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-14 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Help me please! I have mistakenly trusted the Debian community and upgraded to Sarge and it is a DISASTER. HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO US ! ! ! snip THIS IS INEXCUSABLE ! ! ! I find this on DEBACLE: NOUN: 1. A sudden, disastrous collapse, downfall, or

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-14 Thread Kent West
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Help me please! I find this on DEBACLE: NOUN:... failure Nothing on DEBOCLE. Buy RedHat or SUSE. Oh. Do they have spellcheck? (I'm kidding-g-g-g! No need to flame me. Although a nice flame-broiled Whopper sounds pretty

Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Brian Kimsey-Hickman
Help me please! I have mistakenly trusted the Debian community and upgraded to Sarge and it is a DISASTER. HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO US ! ! ! (Reading database ... 70119 files and directories currently installed.) Removing xserver-rage128 ... sed: can't read /etc/X11/Xserver: No such file

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Tom Allison
Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Help me please! I have mistakenly trusted the Debian community and upgraded to Sarge and it is a DISASTER. HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO US ! ! ! With a post like this, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't get much help. You're not exactly welcoming... I

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Craig Russell
Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Help me please! I have mistakenly trusted the Debian community and upgraded to Sarge and it is a DISASTER. HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO US ! ! ! (Reading database ... 70119 files and directories currently installed.) Removing xserver-rage128 ... sed: can't read

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Carl Fink
On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 08:17:25PM -0400, Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: I have mistakenly trusted the Debian community and upgraded to Sarge and it is a DISASTER. HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO US ! ! ! I'd like your help, but first let me abuse you as unpaid volunteers. I HATE YOU! Please

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Brian Kimsey-Hickman
Tom, Please accept my apologies. With having having to manage 8 different operating systems including MS NT, 2000, 2003, Cisco IOS, Cisco CatOS, Cisco PIX, and Red Hat Advanced Server, Debian has by far been the best to manage and the easiest to upgrade. I used dselect to upgrade from potato to

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Brian Kimsey-Hickman
Carl, You are absolutely right, please accept my apologies. Please believe, I DON'T HATE YOU. But the Slashdot article referenced Bill Allombert in an article on the Australian ZDNet Site: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,261733,39196419,00.htm I think there are some valid

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Scarletdown
Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Or maybe some other source. I have just not heard of the term fine manual before. But, you obviously know more about this than I do. That is the polite definition of RTFM. :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Joey Hess
Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: I have mistakenly trusted the Debian community and upgraded to Sarge and it is a DISASTER. HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO US ! ! ! (Reading database ... 70119 files and directories currently installed.) Removing xserver-rage128 ... sed: can't read

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Brian Kimsey-Hickman
Yes, I did catch that subtlety. But, I which manual? There are several you know. Brian On 6/13/05, Scarletdown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Or maybe some other source. I have just not heard of the term fine manual before. But, you obviously know more about this

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Tom Allison
Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: I do have a question though, what specifically are you referring to when you say the fine manual ? Is this the installation guide at: RELEASE NOTES, section 4 might be a good place to start. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install or the Progeny

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Tom Allison
Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Carl, You are absolutely right, please accept my apologies. Please believe, I DON'T HATE YOU. But the Slashdot article referenced Bill Allombert in an article on the Australian ZDNet Site: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,261733,39196419,00.htm I think

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Tom Allison
Joey Hess wrote: Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: I have mistakenly trusted the Debian community and upgraded to Sarge and it is a DISASTER. HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO US ! ! ! (Reading database ... 70119 files and directories currently installed.) Removing xserver-rage128 ... sed: can't

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Marty
Tom Allison wrote: Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Help me please! I don't know why you used dselect to do this. I am pretty certain that you really don't want to use dselect when doing a distribution upgrade. I think you are wrong about that. Did you read the very fine manual before

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Brian Kimsey-Hickman
Tom, I have some Rat Hat servers I manage. Usually, you can't upgrade between major releases you have to do a complete re-installation. Kind of like that song they teach you at Microsoft. fdisk, format, reinstall, du da, du da. I might be suffering with Debian right now but its still better

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 08:31:18PM -0400, Tom Allison wrote: apt-get autoclean; this will clean up your cache directory, good thing to do every once in a while but no required. apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade This is the way you are supposed to do an upgrade of this type. Not

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Greg Madden
On Monday 13 June 2005 04:31 pm, Tom Allison wrote: Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Help me please! I have mistakenly trusted the Debian community and upgraded to Sarge and it is a DISASTER. HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO US ! ! ! With a post like this, I wouldn't be surprised if you

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Brian Kimsey-Hickman
True, compared to other operating system upgrades this is not that bad. And no, I don't know if Slashdot reports the upgrade results of other Linux distributions or other operating systems. It just seems to me that this release was not up to Debian standards. I did not experience anything like

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Carl Fink
On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 09:48:27PM -0400, Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: You are absolutely right, please accept my apologies. Accepted. I've been frantic and posted things I didn't mean in my time, myself. [snip] The following packages have unmet dependencies: xserver-rage128: Depends:

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Kent West
Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: In any case this is the typescript from my last upgrade attempt. Compt-113ws:/home/cpisbk1# apt-get dist-upgrade -f Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Correcting dependencies... Done Calculating Upgrade... Done The following packages

Re: Sarge Upgrade DEBOCLE ! ! !

2005-06-13 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 08:17:25PM -0400, Brian Kimsey-Hickman wrote: Help me please! I have mistakenly trusted the Debian community and upgraded to Sarge and it is a DISASTER. HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS TO US ! ! ! (Reading database ... 70119 files and directories currently