On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:47, Klaus Wolf wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I take test account on
>
> https://www.ekiga.net/index.php?page=services
>
> this works fine with sound and video.
>
> so long
>
> klaus
>
Thanks. That page is very informative, and the call-back service is
good for troubleshooting.
--
Hi,
I take test account on
https://www.ekiga.net/index.php?page=services
this works fine with sound and video.
so long
klaus
Am Dienstag, den 24.05.2011, 10:35 +0300 schrieb Dotan Cohen:
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 16:01, John Hasler wrote:
> > Dotan writes:
> >> Your automobile is not charge
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 16:01, John Hasler wrote:
> Dotan writes:
>> Your automobile is not charged with the responsibility to protect the
>> safety of yourself or your passengers.
>
> Neither is your computer. As a simple machine it is incapable of being
> responsible for anything.
>
That was s
Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 08:31, Ron Johnson wrote:
Which the OS allows them, so I pass no blame on the Skype devs.
My automobile allows me to drive w/o being buckled up. Do you blame the
manufacturer or do you blame me for driving w/o buckling up?
Strawman
Dotan writes:
> Your automobile is not charged with the responsibility to protect the
> safety of yourself or your passengers.
Neither is your computer. As a simple machine it is incapable of being
responsible for anything.
> In order to add that responsibility to the automobile, one would have
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 08:31, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Which the OS allows them, so I pass no blame on the Skype devs.
>>
>
> My automobile allows me to drive w/o being buckled up. Do you blame the
> manufacturer or do you blame me for driving w/o buckling up?
>
Strawman. Your automobile is not ch
On 05/23/2011 12:01 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 07:40, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
Yet, *if* Skype uses the function it's because Skype's programmers
programmed Skype to use the function.
Which the OS allows them, so I pass no blame on the Skype devs.
My automobile allo
Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:29, Ron Johnson wrote:
I was thinking of setuid() magic.
Again an OS issue, not a Skype issue. I agree that since root must
install Skype, and since root then owns Skype, the application might
setuid. But this is an OS feature, not a Skype featur
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 07:40, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> I was thinking of setuid() magic.
>>
>> Again an OS issue,
>
> Insofar as the OS provides the feature.
>
Indeed, this really is a convenience-before-security feature that
reminds me of a certain prolific software vendor. Give me an hour or
two
On 05/22/2011 11:22 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:29, Ron Johnson wrote:
I was thinking of setuid() magic.
Again an OS issue,
Insofar as the OS provides the feature.
not a Skype issue.
Yet, *if* Skype uses the function it's because Skype's program
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:29, Ron Johnson wrote:
> I was thinking of setuid() magic.
>
Again an OS issue, not a Skype issue. I agree that since root must
install Skype, and since root then owns Skype, the application might
setuid. But this is an OS feature, not a Skype feature. How is this
not a
On 05/22/2011 10:22 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 03:30, Ron Johnson wrote:
Because it thinks it needs system privs? Just like any other app that runs
as root.
Do you run Skype as root? And if you do, then there is no basis to
complain about Skype then using elevated privil
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 03:30, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Because it thinks it needs system privs? Just like any other app that runs
> as root.
>
Do you run Skype as root? And if you do, then there is no basis to
complain about Skype then using elevated privileges. Just as you don't
run Iceweasel as r
On 05/22/2011 11:45 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 00:06, Andrew McGlashan
wrote:
Poking holes in the firewall sounds to me like a firewall problem, not
a Skype problem.
If Skype has admin rights, it will use them stealthily.
Why should Skype have admin rights?
Because i
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 00:06, Andrew McGlashan
wrote:
>> Poking holes in the firewall sounds to me like a firewall problem, not
>> a Skype problem.
>
> If Skype has admin rights, it will use them stealthily.
>
Why should Skype have admin rights? And what is "stealthily"? Do you
expect it to pop
On 05/19/2011 06:41 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
Hi,
Daniel Andersson wrote:
Trying Ekiga now and I can't get chat to work at all.
I was not impressed I'm sorry to say. But I guess Ekiga's strength is
in calls not messaging. Will maybe try that later on.
I was looking at Ekiga for a client
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 03:59:39AM +, annathemerm...@hush.com wrote:
> Now, if only I could find a SIP client that works on Debian and
> OpenBSD (bonus points for Mac OS X Tiger/powerpc too) *and* is
> robust enough to deal with my poor internet connection, which
> sometimes has 50% packet loss
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 02:41:04AM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Daniel Andersson wrote:
> >Trying Ekiga now and I can't get chat to work at all.
> >
> >I was not impressed I'm sorry to say. But I guess Ekiga's strength
> >is in calls not messaging. Will maybe try that later on.
>
> I
Hi,
Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 19:37, Andrew McGlashan
wrote:
Then there is the whole security risk of using Skype, it pokes it's
own holes through firewalls and takes advantage of super user rights
whenever it can, silently!
Poking holes in the firewall sounds to me like a
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 19:37, Andrew McGlashan
wrote:
> Then there is the whole security risk of using Skype, it pokes it's
> own holes through firewalls and takes advantage of super user rights
> whenever it can, silently!
Poking holes in the firewall sounds to me like a firewall problem, not
a
Hi,
Daniel Andersson wrote:
Trying Ekiga now and I can't get chat to work at all.
I was not impressed I'm sorry to say. But I guess Ekiga's strength is in
calls not messaging. Will maybe try that later on.
I was looking at Ekiga for a client solution, but found that even the
plain old and s
Hi,
I'm going to snip an awful lot [around 18KB of text email] now, but your
email was a great read! The size was impressive even with the biggish
chunks of referred text, there was plenty of new dialogue.
annathemerm...@hush.com wrote:
So your father bought a new laptop to use XP again. If
From: annathemerm...@hush.com
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 03:59:39 +
> The standard is PTSN.
Don't you mean PSTN?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_switched_telephone_network
> ... home phone is usually cheaper ...
A few years ago when Shaw bought the cable service on Pender Island,
my T
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 19:07, Tom H wrote:
> A decision to drop or not the Linux version of Skype might depend on
> how many Linux users pay for Skype-in and Skype-out.
>
>
I'm one such user.
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On 11 May 2011 15:42, Jamie Thompson wrote:
> On 2011-05-11 4:23 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM, jeremy jozwik
wrote:
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Curt Howland
wrote:
So Skype has been bought by Microsof
>
>From: Daniel Andersson
>To: Leonardo Ruoso ; debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:42 AM
>Subject: Re: So much for Skype.
>
>Trying Ekiga now and I can't get chat to work at all.
>
>I was not impress
On 18 May 2011 01:30, wrote:
> From: Heddle Weaver
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:37:16 +1000
> > I'm in Australia, but I can't see how it would be any different.
>
> Open http://www.diamondcard.us/did
> Look under Personal Phone Number.
>
> Example 1: Set the country to AU, city to Canberra, A
From: Heddle Weaver
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:37:16 +1000
> I'm in Australia, but I can't see how it would be any different.
Open http://www.diamondcard.us/did
Look under Personal Phone Number.
Example 1: Set the country to AU, city to Canberra, Area codes to 61-26,
Duration to 1 yr.
The se
On Ma, 17 mai 11, 10:51:53, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
>
> I did get a crash too. I updated both machines with the same version
> of google chat and it worked nicely then...
Which kinda' confirms there is a bug, even if there is a workaround.
Regards,
Andrei
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On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Andrei Popescu
wrote:
> On Mi, 11 mai 11, 17:23:48, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
>>
>> Moving on to google talk...
>
> Last time I tried to "video call" my mom (running pidgin on squeeze) my
> pidgin crashed. That was a few weeks ago :(
I did get a crash too. I updat
I am using twinkle and got my account at
http://serweg.iptel.org/user/
and this works well for me. Skype works with the webcam and
this is not a feature of twinkle.
So perhaps this will be a way:
VLC may used in linux and also on windows. As vlc also is able
to stream to other ip it should anywh
Trying Ekiga now and I can't get chat to work at all.
I was not impressed I'm sorry to say. But I guess Ekiga's strength is in
calls not messaging. Will maybe try that later on.
/Daniel
On 05/15/2011 02:13 PM, Leonardo Ruoso wrote:
2011/5/15 Daniel Andersson mailto:dan...@daniel-gr-andersso
On 17 May 2011 10:54, wrote:
> Green,
>
> From: green
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:43:35 -0500
> > ... it must be called DID ...
>
> Yes. Ref. "http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg01246.html";
>
> > Unfortunately, diamondcard's pricing for those is overmuch ...
>
> Isn't a number
Green,
From: green
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:43:35 -0500
> ... it must be called DID ...
Yes. Ref. "http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg01246.html";
> Unfortunately, diamondcard's pricing for those is overmuch ...
Isn't a number in the USA $10 setup + 20 $/yr? Is anything chea
Rob Owens wrote at 2011-05-14 12:17 -0500:
> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 10:15:40AM -0500, green wrote:
> > Can you take incoming
> > calls with the normal diamondcard service?
>
> I believe you can, but that is a service I haven't tried. It costs
> extra, as you might imagine. (I'm assuming you ar
[top-posting fixed]
On Du, 15 mai 11, 12:54:44, Daniel Andersson wrote:
> >
> >Last time I tried to "video call" my mom (running pidgin on squeeze) my
> >pidgin crashed. That was a few weeks ago :(
> >
> Did you use Google Talk video in Pidgin Andrei?
I tried, but as I wrote above, it crashed the
2011/5/15 Daniel Andersson
> Did you use Google Talk video in Pidgin Andrei?
>
> Is there any other software that is included in a Debian repository,
> supports video chat, and is also easy to install on Windows?
>
> Ekiga?
>
> Thanks
> Daniel
>
>
> On 05/14/2011 12:16 PM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
Did you use Google Talk video in Pidgin Andrei?
Is there any other software that is included in a Debian repository,
supports video chat, and is also easy to install on Windows?
Thanks
Daniel
On 05/14/2011 12:16 PM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Mi, 11 mai 11, 17:23:48, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 10:15:40AM -0500, green wrote:
> Rob Owens wrote at 2011-05-13 20:11 -0500:
> > I've used diamondcard.us for calling POTS lines from Ekiga's SIP client.
> > Though I only used it a few times, I don't have any complaints. Their
> > rates were better than Skype, too. (I am a
Rob Owens wrote at 2011-05-13 20:11 -0500:
> I've used diamondcard.us for calling POTS lines from Ekiga's SIP client.
> Though I only used it a few times, I don't have any complaints. Their
> rates were better than Skype, too. (I am a USA customer, making calls
> within the USA).
I am glad to kn
On Mi, 11 mai 11, 17:23:48, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
>
> Moving on to google talk...
Last time I tried to "video call" my mom (running pidgin on squeeze) my
pidgin crashed. That was a few weeks ago :(
Regards,
Andrei
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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 06:41:24PM -0800, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> From: Chris Davies
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:10:29 +0100
> > My favourite software SIP client is twinkle.
>
> Yes, Twinkle keeps configurations and contact lists in plain text
> and is economical with resources.
>
Twinkle i
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58:21AM -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
>
> I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
> well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
> shaking his head with the inevitability of it
Aaron Toponce wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:17:17PM -0400, Brad Alexander wrote:
Their Mac support used to include MS office, back in the mid 90s. I know
IT people from that era that said the Mac version of Office was so buggy,
thanks to their putting the Intel debugging symb
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Aaron Toponce wrote:
>
> 1/2 of their customer base? Are you implying that of all the subscribers to
> Skype, 1/2 of them are on GNU/Linux? Even knowing that the GNU/Linux
> desktop market share is less than 2% of the total worldwide? That's a bold
> statement to
Aaron Toponce said:
Thanks for hijacking the thread. Next time, fork it instead, and change the
subject line.
Thanks,
Awww, I'm just being playful, and the thread has been going in the direction of
who uses what os for what; I don't think it was a hijack.
But whatever, sorry for interr
In regards to the Mac vs. Windows vs. Linux/BSD Holy War,
...Not really on topic, but I got a chance to upgrade my Back|Track 4R2
laptops to version 5 released a couple days ago. Very Exciting, I tell you
that's some Hot GNU on Linux Action there!
I run Back|Track on my laptops for War Drivin
Jamie Thompson wrote:
You can't deny that when it comes to home users, the majority of Linux
users are technical users, and the majority of Windows and Mac users are
not. There are always exceptions; some people's relatives like and can
deal with Linux (great!), and likewise, some techies like Ma
On 2011-05-11 5:05 PM, Γαβριήλ Τασιόπουλος wrote:
>> The problem with social software is that you need to support the
>> platforms non-technical users are using. That inevitably means Windows
>> and Macs.
>
> I use a mac and I'd like to think I'm a "technical user". Isolating
> Linux users from th
peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> A POTS gateway is available from any of several companies.
The cheapest dial-out for my calling pattern is smslisto.com. Seems pretty
good for US and Western Europe (including UK). I haven't compared rates
for other countries, but as soon as you start searching around yo
On 05/11/2011 10:41 PM, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
From: Chris Davies
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:10:29 +0100
My favourite software SIP client is twinkle.
Yes, Twinkle keeps configurations and contact lists in plain text
and is economical with resources.
A POTS gateway is available from any of
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58:21AM -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> > So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
> >
> > I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
> > well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure
People need to realise that not everyone uses linux because it's
open-source. Some use it because it's cheap, reliable, easy to use and
works better than windows on old machines. This kind of users, as
small as it may be for the time being, are still potential clients for
skype's paid services.
-
From: Chris Davies
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:10:29 +0100
> My favourite software SIP client is twinkle.
Yes, Twinkle keeps configurations and contact lists in plain text
and is economical with resources.
A POTS gateway is available from any of several companies. Any
phone number can be r
- Original Message -
> From: Mathieu Malaterre
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Cc: debian-user
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: So much for Skype.
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 10:58 -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
> well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
> shaking his head with the inevitability of it all.
RMS never liked Skype:
Skype is a special
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:42:06PM +0100, Jamie Thompson wrote:
> In an ideal world, I'd like to see ubiquitous Jingle support, and
> properly maintained XMPP transports for each proprietary network, with
> Jingle support added to those if possible. A ubiquitous free solution
> for NAT traversal wo
Jamie Thompson wrote:
> I've not found a decent SIP client yet, let alone a "normal" user with
> a SIP account to call them with.
I find my (VoIP) telephone works really well as a SIP client. My favourite
software SIP client is twinkle. Others will no doubt chip in with other
suggestions.
Chris
On 12 May 2011 06:11, Heddle Weaver wrote:
>
>
> On 12 May 2011 05:18, shawn wilson wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Curt Howland wrote:
>> > So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
>> >
>> > I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
>> > well, thus the
On 12 May 2011 05:18, shawn wilson wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Curt Howland wrote:
> > So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
> >
> > I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
> > well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
>
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Curt Howland wrote:
> So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
>
> I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
> well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
> shaking his head with the inevitability of it all.
>
On Wed 11 May 2011 at 10:58:21 -0400, Curt Howland wrote:
> This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives.
There are no existing alternatives to Skype to develop. So nothing to
re-ignite,
There is re-invention, of course, but who will invest in the
infrastructure to implement it
On Wednesday 11 May, 2011 09:44:07 Aaron Toponce wrote:
> I'm failing to see the "finger wagging".
What an awful work environment you must have, to have become so enured to such
a negative attitude that you don't notice. And not only that, but to try and
inflict it on others.
I am not going to
>> > First, you're speculating. You have nothing to base your guess on.
>> > Microsoft may not have been the most "Linux-friendly" company in the world,
>> > but that doesn't mean that they are going to cut the GNU/Linux client of
>> > Skype.
>> >
>> > Second, http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/05
Hi,
perhaps you can take a look at iptel.org ?
best regards and a nice day
klaus
Am Mittwoch, den 11.05.2011, 16:42 +0100 schrieb Jamie Thompson:
> On 2011-05-11 4:23 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM, jeremy jozwik
> > wrote:
> >> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 A
On Wednesday 11 May, 2011 08:59:24 Aaron Toponce wrote:
> First, you're speculating. You have nothing to base your guess on.
> Microsoft may not have been the most "Linux-friendly" company in the world,
> but that doesn't mean that they are going to cut the GNU/Linux client of
> Skype.
>
> Second,
2011/5/11 Jamie Thompson
> On 2011-05-11 4:23 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM, jeremy jozwik
> wrote:
> >> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Curt Howland
> wrote:
> >>> This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives.
>
Re-ignite? I can't agree wit
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Curt Howland wrote:
>
> So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
>
> I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
> well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
> shaking his head with the inevitability of it all.
> The problem with social software is that you need to support the
> platforms non-technical users are using. That inevitably means Windows
> and Macs.
I use a mac and I'd like to think I'm a "technical user". Isolating
Linux users from the rest of the computer users as more technical and
speciali
On 2011-05-11 4:23 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM, jeremy jozwik
> wrote:
>> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Curt Howland wrote:
>>> So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
>>>
>>> I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
>>> well, th
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Curt Howland wrote:
>> So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
>>
>> I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
>> well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignuciou
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Curt Howland wrote:
> So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
>
> I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
> well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
> shaking his head with the inevitability of it all.
>
>
So Skype has been bought by Microsoft.
I expect the Linux version of Skype to be abolished in short order. Oh
well, thus the fate of proprietary software. I'm sure St. Ignucious is
shaking his head with the inevitability of it all.
This aught to re-ignite the effort to develop the alternatives.
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