Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 18:21, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 13:59 > Subject: Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelan

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Hoyt Bailey
- Original Message - From: "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 13:59 Subject: Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:23:51PM +0800, csj wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:35:54 -0600, > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:31, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > > On Friday 14 November 2003 3:48 pm, David Palmer. wrote: > > [snip very good points] > > > > > > > The modern 'education

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread David Palmer.
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:23:51 +0800 csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:35:54 -0600, > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:31, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > > On Friday 14 November 2003 3:48 pm, David Palmer. wrote: > > [snip very good points] > > > > > > > The mod

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread csj
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:35:54 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:31, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > On Friday 14 November 2003 3:48 pm, David Palmer. wrote: > [snip very good points] > > > > > The modern 'educational' process is there to teach people > > > how to read just well enou

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Haines Brown
> From: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It seems to me that the "most successful" would be those who can > master the social needs (get good grades from approved testbooks, > etc), while still being able to think outside the box. Ron, I can't give your remark the attention it deserves because

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-14 Thread David Palmer.
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:55:58 -0800 Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:12, David Palmer. wrote: > ... > >>These potentially highly dangerous individuals are confined to > >>institutions known as 'research centres', and if non conforming are seen

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:38, cr wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:12, David Palmer. wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:44:33 -0600 > > > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 14:48, David Palmer. wrote: > > > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:41:32 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > A

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-14 Thread Erik Steffl
Ron Johnson wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:12, David Palmer. wrote: ... These potentially highly dangerous individuals are confined to institutions known as 'research centres', and if non conforming are seen as a disruptive and undesirable element by the established social order, and are further r

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-14 Thread ScruLoose
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 03:35:54PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:31, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > On Friday 14 November 2003 3:48 pm, David Palmer. wrote: > [snip very good points] > > > > > The modern 'educational' process is there to teach people how to read > > > just well

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-14 Thread cr
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:12, David Palmer. wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:44:33 -0600 > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 14:48, David Palmer. wrote: > > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:41:32 -0800 > > > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > Einstein failed a maths exam, didn't see the

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:31, Alfredo Valles wrote: > On Friday 14 November 2003 3:48 pm, David Palmer. wrote: [snip very good points] > > > The modern 'educational' process is there to teach people how to read > > just well enough so that they no longer need to think. > > Regards, > > > The mode

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:12, David Palmer. wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:44:33 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 14:48, David Palmer. wrote: > > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:41:32 -0800 > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 0

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-14 Thread Alfredo Valles
On Friday 14 November 2003 3:48 pm, David Palmer. wrote: > Einstein failed a maths exam, didn't see the sense in memorising > multiplication tables when they were already written down. Which doesn't mean that every boy that fail a math exam is a genius. Yes, memorizing multiplication tables is b

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-14 Thread David Palmer.
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:44:33 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 14:48, David Palmer. wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:41:32 -0800 > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 01:35:20PM -0500, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > > > On Friday 14 Novemb

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 14:48, David Palmer. wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:41:32 -0800 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 01:35:20PM -0500, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > > On Friday 14 November 2003 1:14 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > On the upside, those with the

Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-14 Thread David Palmer.
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:41:32 -0800 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 01:35:20PM -0500, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > On Friday 14 November 2003 1:14 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > On the upside, those with the brains to move > > > themselves up on the socioeconomic ladder w