Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-20 Thread Rodrigo Sobrinho
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:19:50 + Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To search for package names hit '/' followed by characters. It > interactively searches for a match anywhere in the package name > string. If it hasn't found what you want hit return to save the > search string and the

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-17 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 07:32, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > On 16/02/03 Paul Johnson did speaketh: > > > Well, that's because it also installs reccommends. Some folks prefer > > that. > > Partly, but it's also because it tries to upgrade my whole system, when > all I wanted to do was install a

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-17 Thread Steve Lamb
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:58:24 +0100 Jeff Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I forget who said it, but someone said (if I understood correctly) that > aptitude would remove dependencies when a metapackage was selected for > deletion. That didn't work for me. I installed the kdelibs metapackage the

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-17 Thread Jeff Elkins
I forget who said it, but someone said (if I understood correctly) that aptitude would remove dependencies when a metapackage was selected for deletion. That didn't work for me. I installed the kdelibs metapackage then attempted to delete it --- 'aptitude remove kdelibs' removed the 45Kb metap

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-17 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 16/02/03 Paul Johnson did speaketh: > Well, that's because it also installs reccommends. Some folks prefer > that. Partly, but it's also because it tries to upgrade my whole system, when all I wanted to do was install a single package. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 03:21:22PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:50:16 -0500 > Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At the commnd line it is aptitude search '~d(browser|www)' > > Ah. ~ for where to search, d for descripton, (|) for the grouping and or? Yes. -- Rob

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-17 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 09:36:21AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > On 16/02/03 Brian Nelson did speaketh: > > > What if you want to honor a package's "Recommends" field with apt-get? > > That'll take some extra effort that isn't necessary with aptitude. Or > > what if you want to automatically

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 09:37:41AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > I'm afraid of dselect. Every time I try to use it, it insists on > installing a bunch of crap that I didn't ask for. Well, that's because it also installs reccommends. Some folks prefer that. -- .''`. Baloo <[EMAIL

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:15:48 -0700 (MST) Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would say persistent rather than retarded. Retarded. The machine is not more intelligent than I am. > Dselect works best if you have a good grasp of the packaging system, > and consequently know when to use "Q

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 09:49:18PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 02:52:33PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > There's one problem: dselect is retarded WRT "Recommends". > > You mean "was", nowadays. dpkg 1.10 fixed this long-standing bug. You're correct; unfortunately vers

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:50:16 -0500 Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At the commnd line it is aptitude search '~d(browser|www)' Ah. ~ for where to search, d for descripton, (|) for the grouping and or? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Bruce Sass
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003, Nathan E Norman wrote: > There's one problem: dselect is retarded WRT "Recommends". That is, <...> > you. Annoying. Fortunately, you can tell dselect "No really, I want > you to not install package foo" by typing 'Q' to exit the resolution > screen, but it's still a PITA.

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Lamb wrote: > Nono, I meant from the command line with aptitude search. If I do > "apt-cache search browser www" I get all packages which have both browser and > www in their name or description. If I try "aptitude search browser www" I > get packages that match either www or browser.

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 02:52:33PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > There's one problem: dselect is retarded WRT "Recommends". You mean "was", nowadays. dpkg 1.10 fixed this long-standing bug. -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EM

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 16/02/03 Alex Malinovich did speaketh: > Actually, this is primarily the reason that I like dselect. That list of > "crap" is all of the recommends and suggests that are present in the > package. A few years ago, I would have said this to be unnecessary, but > with the Debian repository having

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Lamb wrote: > About the only thing I miss from apt proper is apt-cache search. > Supposedly there is a way for aptitude to search names and descriptions but I > have not stumbled on it yet. It works much like mutt with ~l sequences to tell it what field to look in. /~mJoey Hess /~dsom

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Joey Hess
Brian Nelson wrote: > What if you want to honor a package's "Recommends" field with apt-get? > That'll take some extra effort that isn't necessary with aptitude. Or > what if you want to automatically remove the dependencies a package > pulled in when you delete that package? Pretty tricky to do

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 02:07:15PM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 08:37, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > > On 16/02/03 Alex Malinovich did speaketh: > > > > > Personally, I generally stick to apt-get and apt-cache for most of my > > > maintenance work. But I'll never give up dse

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:19:50 + Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To search for package names hit '/' followed by characters. It > interactively searches for a match anywhere in the package name string. If > it hasn't found what you want hit return to save the search string and then >

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:15:51 + Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 16 Feb 2003 5:22 am, Steve Lamb wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:32:13 +1100 > > In interactive mode, v. v shows you all (v)ersions of the package > > available and you can decide which to install. > onl

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:35:03 -0500 "Michael P. Soulier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One of the best things about apt-get is that removals trace > dependencies, so if I want to remove all X packages, all I have to do is > apt-get remove on a base X library, and _everything_ that depends on X >

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 08:37, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > On 16/02/03 Alex Malinovich did speaketh: > > > Personally, I generally stick to apt-get and apt-cache for most of my > > maintenance work. But I'll never give up dselect. Aptitude makes no > > sense to me whatsoever. dselect just makes ever

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Alaa The Great
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:35:03 -0500 "Michael P. Soulier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One of the best things about apt-get is that removals trace > dependencies, > so if I want to remove all X packages, all I have to do is apt-get > remove on a base X library, and _everything_ that depends

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 16/02/03 Brian Nelson did speaketh: > What if you want to honor a package's "Recommends" field with apt-get? > That'll take some extra effort that isn't necessary with aptitude. Or > what if you want to automatically remove the dependencies a package > pulled in when you delete that package?

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 16/02/03 Alex Malinovich did speaketh: > Personally, I generally stick to apt-get and apt-cache for most of my > maintenance work. But I'll never give up dselect. Aptitude makes no > sense to me whatsoever. dselect just makes everything really simple. > Though, from what I understand, I'm more

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 15/02/03 Paul Johnson did speaketh: > Why does everybody keep saying this when it's false? Aptitude and > apt-get are getting thier information from the same place and making > the same decisions. Both tell you quite specifically what is going on > before it asks you to commit to it. Nobody

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Alan Chandler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 16 Feb 2003 9:36 am, Alex Malinovich wrote: > Personally, I generally stick to apt-get and apt-cache for most of my > maintenance work. But I'll never give up dselect. Aptitude makes no > sense to me whatsoever. dselect just makes everything

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Alan Chandler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 16 Feb 2003 5:22 am, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:32:13 +1100 > > Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tried aptitude. Couldn't figure out how to specify > > stable/testing/unstable packages. Can it do that? > > In inter

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Alan Chandler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 16 Feb 2003 9:38 am, Steve Lamb wrote: > About the only thing I miss from apt proper is apt-cache search. > Supposedly there is a way for aptitude to search names and descriptions but > I have not stumbled on it yet. To search for packa

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Steve Lamb
On 16 Feb 2003 03:36:35 -0600 Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But for just installing or finding a single package, I really don't see > the point in starting up any frontend when I can just do "apt-cache > search searchstring" & "apt-get install package". You're right. aptitude i

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 03:36:35AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote: > Personally, I generally stick to apt-get and apt-cache for most of my > maintenance work. But I'll never give up dselect. Aptitude makes no > sense to me whatsoever. dselect just makes everything really simple. > Though, from what I

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 01:13:25 -0800 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:21:49PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Alrighty. Automatic flag. :) There, ya got it. > Nope, no good. aptitude's automatic flagging is the same as apt's > default behaviour, last I check

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 22:05, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 02:29:39PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: > > I think you'd be much better off forgoing apt-get and using an > > interactive package tool instead such as aptitude. Proper use of such a > > tool will make it much easier to keep

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 09:21:49PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > > before it asks you to commit to it. Nobody has yet demonstrated on > > the list anything that you can do in aptitude easier or faster than > > you can with some combination of apt-file, apt-cache and apt-get. > > Alrighty. Autom

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-16 Thread Brian Nelson
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 02:29:39PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: >> I think you'd be much better off forgoing apt-get and using an >> interactive package tool instead such as aptitude. Proper use of such a >> tool will make it much easier to keep your packa

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-15 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:05:26 -0800 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why does everybody keep saying this when it's false? Aptitude and > apt-get are getting thier information from the same place and making > the same decisions. Both tell you quite specifically what is going on > before it

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-15 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:32:13 +1100 Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tried aptitude. Couldn't figure out how to specify > stable/testing/unstable packages. Can it do that? In interactive mode, v. v shows you all (v)ersions of the package available and you can decide which to install. --

Re: The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-15 Thread Russell
Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 02:29:39PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: I think you'd be much better off forgoing apt-get and using an interactive package tool instead such as aptitude. Proper use of such a tool will make it much easier to keep your package system in stable state.

The myth of aptitude simplicity

2003-02-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 02:29:39PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: > I think you'd be much better off forgoing apt-get and using an > interactive package tool instead such as aptitude. Proper use of such a > tool will make it much easier to keep your package system in stable > state. Why does everybod