On 12/17/2009 4:33 AM, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:58:46PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote:
On 12/16/2009 4:27 PM, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
In what way trolling? Are you kidding? :-/
You are repeating your arguments in a circular fashion without
considering the arguments
Dave Witbrodt dawit...@sbcglobal.net writes:
Camaleón wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:28:19 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
I wasn't speaking of the independent xorg devs (although they also do a
good job), I was saying AMD is doing a very good job.
In what way is doing a very good job? A good job
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:58:46PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote:
On 12/16/2009 4:27 PM, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
In what way trolling? Are you kidding? :-/
You are repeating your arguments in a circular fashion without
considering the arguments of others. Thats what we call trolling.
That's
), and work with other developers
to improve all of this software.
Your comments merely reveal your ignorance.
But I have to disagree in regards AMD/ATI. It's not a linux-friendly
company and has not released the full specs for their vga cards. Just
some papers. In these days, that's not enough.
Just
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:17:16 -0500, Dave Witbrodt wrote:
Camaleón wrote:
Which probably isn't true anyway, with that much in the way of
resources, you could reverse engineer it in short enough order.
Reverse engineering is not legal in some countries and it's not a
fair approach when we
Dave Witbrodt dawit...@sbcglobal.net writes:
More idiocy. More trolling.
At this point I'd like to ask Kelly Clowers to stop feeding the
troll. The only result of your attempts to correct this troll's errors
has been to give it a chance to spread disinformation in the
debian-user archives.
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Carl Johnson wrote:
I agree entirely with you. It is obvious by now that the original
poster has an irrational grudge against ATI and is not interested in
any real discussions.
Ups OP was Rogério Brito, not Camaleón.
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Camaleón wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:17:16 -0500, Dave Witbrodt wrote:
Camaleón wrote:
Which probably isn't true anyway, with that much in the way of
resources, you could reverse engineer it in short enough order.
Reverse engineering is not
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:54:53 +0100
Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote:
On 2009-12-14 13:28 +0100, Camaleón wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:17:59 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
...
The best bet is probably
to use Intel graphics, *except* GMA500¹.
IIRC, some Intel cards were having
Johannes Wiedersich johan...@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de writes:
Carl Johnson wrote:
I agree entirely with you. It is obvious by now that the original
poster has an irrational grudge against ATI and is not interested in
any real discussions.
Ups OP was Rogério Brito, not Camaleón.
Sorry, I
On 12/16/2009 4:27 PM, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
In what way trolling? Are you kidding? :-/
You are repeating your arguments in a circular fashion without
considering the arguments of others. Thats what we call trolling.
That's not trolling. It may not be a good argument, but it's not
On 2009-12-17 03:36 +0100, Celejar wrote:
I've discovered that kernel modesetting seems to consistently crash my
945GM within a few minutes of starting X:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25681
Which kernel version is that? I have a rather similar machine (Acer
Travelmate 2490)
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:56:28 +0100
Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote:
On 2009-12-17 03:36 +0100, Celejar wrote:
I've discovered that kernel modesetting seems to consistently crash my
945GM within a few minutes of starting X:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25681
Which
Camaleón wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:54:53 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
On 2009-12-14 13:28 +0100, Camaleón wrote:
Be sure to avoid Nvidia graphics cards then.
Why?
There is nv driver (2D) and soon it will be nouveau (2D+3D) driver
available. Both are open source.
The nv driver is heavily
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Camaleón wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:54:53 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
On 2009-12-14 13:28 +0100, Camaleón wrote:
Be sure to avoid Nvidia graphics cards then.
Why?
There is nv driver (2D) and soon it will be nouveau (2D+3D) driver
available. Both are open source.
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:33:41 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Camaleón wrote:
It seems we have not many real choices, then :-(
One of the remaining options is to complain to the dealer and/or
manufacturer for providing a product that does not fully work, since
neither the specifications
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:43, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:33:41 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Yes, but people may need some functions that are not provided by Intel
cards. And remember that Intel driver also had its own glitches...
Intel works great for me.
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:20:29 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:43, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
Both, ATI and Nvidia are quite the same: they do not provide a complete
access to their hardware specifications and just provide closed source
drivers.
ATI provides complete
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:50, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:20:29 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 07:43, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
Both, ATI and Nvidia are quite the same: they do not provide a complete
access to their hardware specifications
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:38:38 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:50, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
So in fact, we get from ATI no much more than from nvidia :-/
On the contrary, ATI gives us all this: http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/ and
Intel gives us at least this:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:09, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:38:38 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:50, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
So in fact, we get from ATI no much more than from nvidia :-/
On the contrary, ATI gives us all this:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:24:07 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:09, Camaleón wrote:
On the contrary, ATI gives us all this: http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/ and
Intel gives us at least this: http://www.x.org/docs/intel/ But Nvidia
gives nothing at all.
Still far from a
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 13:48, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:24:07 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:09, Camaleón wrote:
On the contrary, ATI gives us all this: http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/ and
Intel gives us at least this:
not :-(
Yes and no? What is this, a quantum superposition?
I agree that Xorg people have done a very good job (by their own) with
radeon/radeonhd drivers.
But I have to disagree in regards AMD/ATI. It's not a linux-friendly
company and has not released the full specs for their vga cards. Just
some
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 20:56:42 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Sven Joachim put forth on 12/14/2009 6:54 AM:
That blob is taken out from the closed
source driver and probably undistributable, although Nvidia has promised
not to take legal action.
Ahem, yeah, it's not a bright idea to sue
devs (although
they also do a good job), I was saying AMD is doing a very
good job.
But I have to disagree in regards AMD/ATI. It's not a linux-friendly
company and has not released the full specs for their vga cards. Just
some papers. In these days, that's not enough.
Just some papers? What
Since both ATI and NVIDIA are lacking driver-wise, compare the hardware.
NVIDIA was ahead for a long time, but they blundered several times
lately, such as the mobile chipset debacle. NVIDIA has tried and failed
also to again leapfrog ATI as they did with the 8800 and the 260/280.
However,
company and has not released the full specs for their vga cards. Just
some papers. In these days, that's not enough.
Just some papers? What else would they release? What specifically do you
think they need to release?
They need to release the drivers. They need to open source the full
drivers
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:17:59 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
Be sure to avoid Nvidia graphics cards then.
Why?
There is nv driver (2D) and soon it will be nouveau (2D+3D) driver
available. Both are open source.
The best bet is probably
to use Intel graphics, *except* GMA500¹.
IIRC, some
On 2009-12-14 13:28 +0100, Camaleón wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:17:59 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
Be sure to avoid Nvidia graphics cards then.
Why?
There is nv driver (2D) and soon it will be nouveau (2D+3D) driver
available. Both are open source.
The nv driver is heavily obfuscated¹
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:54:53 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
On 2009-12-14 13:28 +0100, Camaleón wrote:
Be sure to avoid Nvidia graphics cards then.
Why?
There is nv driver (2D) and soon it will be nouveau (2D+3D) driver
available. Both are open source.
The nv driver is heavily obfuscated¹
Sven Joachim put forth on 12/14/2009 6:54 AM:
That blob is taken out from the closed
source driver and probably undistributable, although Nvidia has promised
not to take legal action.
Ahem, yeah, it's not a bright idea to sue your own customers, ya know,
the ones buying your products (think
On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 01:22:05PM +0200, Philippe Dhont (Sea-ro) wrote:
I have an additional vga card and an additional monitor i can use.
What are the posibilities for dual screen and is there a paper about
this ?
You have several possibilities:
- run a separate X server that can be
Hi,
I have an additional vga card and an additional monitor i can use.
What are the posibilities for dual screen and is there a paper about
this ?
Grtz,
Philippe
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