Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-03 Thread Dan Purgert
David Wright wrote: > On Mon 02 Apr 2018 at 13:07:48 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: >> Heating the disks to well above the Curie point of the magnetic coating >> is guaranteed to destroy all the data. > > But how to determine what the curie point of the particular drives is > might be taxing. And the

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-03 Thread David Wright
On Mon 02 Apr 2018 at 13:07:48 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > Curt writes: > > I guess the only means of verifying whether your data has been > > effectively destroyed is by attempting to recover it; as the > > threat-scenarios spoken about here (by individuals) generally posit > > attackers (corpor

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 03/04/18 02:08, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Also, the ATA enhanced erase is, as far as I know, the best option for wiping an SSD. +1. It may also erase things like reserved space and bad blocks that are not visible via the block device and thus immune to shred. ATA security erase is the fac

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread John Hasler
Michael Stone writes: > The main reasons to look at degaussing or other methods of destruction > are 1) for extremely sensitive data, 2) for drives which are broken > (it's quite possible for something to be too broken to overwrite, but > not too broken to extract data) or 3) because it's > quicker

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread John Hasler
Curt writes: > I guess the only means of verifying whether your data has been > effectively destroyed is by attempting to recover it; as the > threat-scenarios spoken about here (by individuals) generally posit > attackers (corporate or governmental) with more resources at their > disposal than the

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, April 02, 2018 09:40:40 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > The foremost question which I want to ask is, what is the universal > (world wide) understanding behind degaussing hard drives? ... > All these was last Friday. In the midst of our argument over the > cellular network

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 05:10:41PM +, Curt wrote: I took a hammer once to an old hard drive; frankly, I don't know whether I killed it or not. But they don't call 'em "hard" drives for nothin', I'll tell ya that. The hammer method is far more satisfying with glass platters. :)

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 11:23:29AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: The equipment required for degaussing isn't very special (though it *does* require an AC magnet). You need to match the strength of the equipment to the media in use. Modern hard disks need fairly strong fields to fully erase, and th

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Curt
On 2018-04-02, John Hasler wrote: > Mike Stone writes: >> Degaussing a hard drive will render it inoperative. It's also >> relatively hard to do/requires special equipment. (Just waving a >> refrigerator magnet around isn't going to do it.) > > The equipment required for degaussing isn't very spec

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread John Hasler
Mike Stone writes: > Degaussing a hard drive will render it inoperative. It's also > relatively hard to do/requires special equipment. (Just waving a > refrigerator magnet around isn't going to do it.) The equipment required for degaussing isn't very special (though it *does* require an AC magnet)

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Michael Stone
Degaussing a hard drive will render it inoperative. It's also relatively hard to do/requires special equipment. (Just waving a refrigerator magnet around isn't going to do it.) Degaussing should be understood as a final step before discarding equipment. (And, for what it's worth, it's not a pro

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 09:40:40PM +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > Good evening from Singapore! > > The foremost question which I want to ask is, what is the universal > (world wide) understanding behind degaussing hard drives? > [Snip long and entertaining problem description] >

What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
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