Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon 03 Jul 2023 at 12:14:11 (+0100), debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Nicolas George wrote: > > Roger Price (12023-07-03): > > > Exactly my point that inanimate objects of which there are many > > > examples are best known by numbers. Numbers so well known that > > > songs are written

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon 03 Jul 2023 at 10:42:15 (+0200), Roger Price wrote: > On Sun, 2 Jul 2023, David Wright wrote: > > > Perhaps more people remember the A5 is the Holyhead Road, rather than > > Exactly my point that inanimate objects of which there are many examples > are best known by numbers. Numbers so

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Tue, 04 Jul 2023 11:33:20 +0100 "mick.crane" wrote: > On 2023-07-03 23:34, Emanuel Berg wrote: > > tomas wrote: > > > >> Or is "metric" one of these things spared by the > >> Brexit Bonfire? > > > > It depends which gear your camp is since the metric system is > > partly implemented and

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

jeremy ardley wrote: > Or is "metric" one of these things spared by the > Brexit Bonfire? It depends which gear your camp is since the metric system is partly implemented and partly co-exists >>> >>> British Standard Pipe still in use for plumbing and 1/4", >>> 3/8" of

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On 4/7/23 19:22, Emanuel Berg wrote: mick.crane wrote: Or is "metric" one of these things spared by the Brexit Bonfire? It depends which gear your camp is since the metric system is partly implemented and partly co-exists British Standard Pipe still in use for plumbing and 1/4", 3/8" of

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

mick.crane wrote: >>> Or is "metric" one of these things spared by the >>> Brexit Bonfire? >> >> It depends which gear your camp is since the metric system >> is partly implemented and partly co-exists > > British Standard Pipe still in use for plumbing and 1/4", > 3/8" of specification I forget

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On 2023-07-03 23:34, Emanuel Berg wrote: tomas wrote: Or is "metric" one of these things spared by the Brexit Bonfire? It depends which gear your camp is since the metric system is partly implemented and partly co-exists British Standard Pipe still in use for plumbing and 1/4", 3/8" of

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 23:34:50 +0200 Emanuel Berg wrote: Hello Emanuel, >Maybe the UK roads also follow a system. They certainly did. The remnants can be seen still. Maybe wikipedia has an article about it - I've not checked. A DDG (or other search engine) lookup would find something. --

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 23:33:23 +0200 Emanuel Berg wrote: Hello Emanuel, >days, they want their product or project to come up first if >anyone Googles them. What comes up first is the company with biggest wallet. Name, or number, matters not one iota. -- Regards _ "Valid sig

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

tomas wrote: > Or is "metric" one of these things spared by the > Brexit Bonfire? It depends which gear your camp is since the metric system is partly implemented and partly co-exists (e.g. on product labels) in the UK ... and the supposed all-Metric world. Everything, of course, Made in China

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

Brad Rogers wrote: >> But M5 can be a bolt size and a lot of other things as well, > > Context! When the conversation is about roads in the UK, why > would *anyone* think bolt size? I agree, but that's why people have a hangup with names these days, they want their product or project to come up

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

tomas wrote: >>> But M5 can be a bolt size and a lot of other things as well, >> >> Context! When the conversation is about roads in the UK, >> why would *anyone* think bolt size? > > Especially metric ones =:-o Maybe the UK roads also follow a system. They were the first guys having one, after

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

debian-user wrote: No but I live in the UK and I know the A1, A2, A4, A5, A6 and many others, plus the M1, M4, M5, M6. >> >> But M5 can be a bolt size and a lot of other things as >> well, while creative names may stay "more" unique. > > Nonsense. Curt's reply (which you cut when

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jul 03, 2023 at 05:53:10PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 18:28:49 +0200 > Emanuel Berg wrote: > > Hello Emanuel, > > >But M5 can be a bolt size and a lot of other things as well, > > Context! When the conversation is about roads in the UK, why would > *anyone* think

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 18:28:49 +0200 Emanuel Berg wrote: Hello Emanuel, >But M5 can be a bolt size and a lot of other things as well, Context! When the conversation is about roads in the UK, why would *anyone* think bolt size? -- Regards _ "Valid sig separator is {dash}{dash}{space}"

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On 2023-07-01 15:15, David Wright wrote: You don't have to memorize all of Debian's codenames in order, do you? There are about three or four in current use at any one time. (And the release numbers might be monotonic, but they're not sequential, so memorizing them would be just as tricky.)

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

Emanuel Berg wrote: > Curt wrote: > > >> No but I live in the UK and I know the A1, A2, A4, A5, A6 > >> and many others, plus the M1, M4, M5, M6. > > But M5 can be a bolt size and a lot of other things as well, > while creative names may stay "more" unique. Nonsense. Curt's reply (which you

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

Curt wrote: >> No but I live in the UK and I know the A1, A2, A4, A5, A6 >> and many others, plus the M1, M4, M5, M6. But M5 can be a bolt size and a lot of other things as well, while creative names may stay "more" unique. But on the other hand there are many Emmas and Camillas, and people

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On 2023-07-03, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Nicolas George wrote: >> Roger Price (12023-07-03): >> > Exactly my point that inanimate objects of which there are many >> > examples are best known by numbers. Numbers so well known that >> > songs are written about the number: historic US 66

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

Nicolas George wrote: > Roger Price (12023-07-03): > > Exactly my point that inanimate objects of which there are many > > examples are best known by numbers. Numbers so well known that > > songs are written about the number: historic US 66 [1], and in > > France the historic N7 [2], a vacation

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 4:42 AM Roger Price wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Jul 2023, David Wright wrote: > > > Perhaps more people remember the A5 is the Holyhead Road, rather than > > Exactly my point that inanimate objects of which there are many examples are > best known by numbers. Numbers so well

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

Roger Price (12023-07-03): > Exactly my point that inanimate objects of which there are many examples are > best known by numbers. Numbers so well known that songs are written about > the number: historic US 66 [1], and in France the historic N7 [2], a > vacation highway. And you know which one

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Sun, 2 Jul 2023, David Wright wrote: Perhaps more people remember the A5 is the Holyhead Road, rather than Exactly my point that inanimate objects of which there are many examples are best known by numbers. Numbers so well known that songs are written about the number: historic US 66

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Sun 02 Jul 2023 at 11:30:39 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > On Sat 01 Jul 2023 at 11:34:53 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > > > David Wright wrote: > > > > On Mon 26 Jun 2023 at 17:22:04 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 4:45 PM Dan Ritter > >

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Sun 02 Jul 2023 at 12:08:27 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> > Unlike numbers, names are memorable and unambiguous (when well-chosen). > >> This claim is far from evident and needs justification. The only > [...] > > Leaving aside that Titanic is the real name of the ship and not a > >

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Leaving aside that Titanic is the real name of the ship and >> not a codename, the evidence is all around you. Look no >> further than your login name, or the name of your computer. >> A huge slice of the Internet's infrastructure, DNS, is >> concerned with allowing

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

>> > Unlike numbers, names are memorable and unambiguous (when well-chosen). >> This claim is far from evident and needs justification. The only [...] > Leaving aside that Titanic is the real name of the ship and not a > codename, the evidence is all around you. Look no further than > your login

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

David Wright wrote: > On Sat 01 Jul 2023 at 11:34:53 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > > David Wright wrote: > > > On Mon 26 Jun 2023 at 17:22:04 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 4:45 PM Dan Ritter > > > > wrote: > > > > > riveravaldez wrote: > > > > > > It would be

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Sat 01 Jul 2023 at 11:34:53 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 26 Jun 2023 at 17:22:04 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 4:45 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > riveravaldez wrote: > > > > > It would be possible, as an alternative, to populate

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Sat 01 Jul 2023 at 18:00:01 (+0200), Roger Price wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jul 2023, David Wright wrote: > > > Unlike numbers, names are memorable and unambiguous (when well-chosen). > > This claim is far from evident and needs justification. The only > example I can think of is project number 401

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 10:45:54 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > But I can't see what's wrong with codenames. It's not just a > > "tradition", it's standard practice in most fields of endeavour. > > You slap a name on a project, and everyone knows what they're > > talking about. Unlike numbers,

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Sat, 1 Jul 2023, David Wright wrote: Unlike numbers, names are memorable and unambiguous (when well-chosen). This claim is far from evident and needs justification. The only example I can think of is project number 401 which later became the product "Titanic". However the name is not

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

David Wright wrote: > On Mon 26 Jun 2023 at 17:22:04 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 4:45 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > > > riveravaldez wrote: > > > > It would be possible, as an alternative, to populate sources.list with > > > > '2021', > > > > for instance, instead of

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

> But I can't see what's wrong with codenames. It's not just a "tradition", > it's standard practice in most fields of endeavour. You slap a name on > a project, and everyone knows what they're talking about. Unlike numbers, > names are memorable and unambiguous (when well-chosen). AFAICT

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon 26 Jun 2023 at 17:22:04 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 4:45 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > > riveravaldez wrote: > > > It would be possible, as an alternative, to populate sources.list with > > > '2021', > > > for instance, instead of 'bullseye', 'bookworm', etc.? > > >

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

>> > DO NOT USE "stable" IN YOUR sources.list FILE! >> And this is because... ? > Because a full release upgrade is a process that requires planning and > execution with intent. There are many steps to follow, in order to > maximize the chances of it actually working, and not breaking your >

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 23:06:41 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:51:36PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com > wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 22:10:38 -0400 > > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > DO NOT USE "stable" IN YOUR sources.list FILE! > > > > > And this is because... ? >

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 08:51:07AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Le 27/06/2023 à 05:06, Greg Wooledge a écrit : > > > > A lot of people who run stable releases use automatic upgrades. This > > is a thing that will attempt to run "apt update" and "apt upgrade" > > automatically for you in the

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

Le 27/06/2023 à 05:06, Greg Wooledge a écrit : A lot of people who run stable releases use automatic upgrades. This is a thing that will attempt to run "apt update" and "apt upgrade" automatically for you in the background. If you use the "stable" label in your source.list file, and if you

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:51:36PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 22:10:38 -0400 > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 09:53:33PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com > > wrote: > > > > * Stable/OldStable/OldOldStable to refer to the current and > > > >

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:51:36PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 22:10:38 -0400 > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > DO NOT USE "stable" IN YOUR sources.list FILE! > > > And this is because... ? Because a full release upgrade is a process that requires planning and

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 22:10:38 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 09:53:33PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com > wrote: > > > * Stable/OldStable/OldOldStable to refer to the current and > > > previous releases > > > > This sounds good in theory, but in the sources.list file, Debian

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 09:53:33PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: > > * Stable/OldStable/OldOldStable to refer to the current and previous > > releases > > This sounds good in theory, but in the sources.list file, Debian > defaults to the code names, not "stable"/"testing"/"unstable".

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 21:01:17 +0200 Nicolas George wrote: [snip] > Twenty five years ago I started naming my computers after the > characters in an obscure French sci-fi duology. The names are still > pretty much unique, but I have had trouble finding names for new > boxes, especially since it

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 17:04:57 +0100 Darac Marjal wrote: > > On 26/06/2023 09:18, Roger Price wrote: > > I have difficulty remembering the Debian code names for releases > > Buzz Rex Bo Hamm Slink Potato Woody Sarge Etch Lenny Squeeze Wheezy > > Jessie Stretch Buster Bullseye Bookworm Trixie and

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 4:45 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > > riveravaldez wrote: > > It would be possible, as an alternative, to populate sources.list with > > '2021', > > for instance, instead of 'bullseye', 'bookworm', etc.? > > > > We could have something like, 'Debian 2023 - Bookworm', so,

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

riveravaldez wrote: > It would be possible, as an alternative, to populate sources.list with '2021', > for instance, instead of 'bullseye', 'bookworm', etc.? > > We could have something like, 'Debian 2023 - Bookworm', so, preserving > tradition, but allowing '2023' to be used as an alternative

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On 6/26/23, Nicolas George wrote: > ghe2001 (12023-06-26): > (...) > What works for Ubuntu is that their version numbers are really the year. > We know what year we are in, usually. It would be possible, as an alternative, to populate sources.list with '2021', for instance, instead of

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On 27/06/2023 03:40, Kent West wrote: Code-names are awesome. I prefer them to be something like "First" or "Secundo" or "Twelve" The wallpaper for Ubuntu Hardy Heron was exquisite. -- Ash Joubert (they/them) Director / Game Developer Transient Software Limited

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 06:33:37PM +0200, Roger Price wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, Darac Marjal wrote: > The reason for Debian using code names - and it was one of the first Linux distributions to use code names routinely - was very simple. Debian 1.0 never happened. InfoMagic took a copy of

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

ghe2001 (12023-06-26): > I've been using Debian for some 20 years, and I've had the impression > that Ian started with the major characters in Toy Story and the names > have moved toward the minor ones (no proof, just an impression). That is the problem with major characters, there are a limited

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I've been using Debian for some 20 years, and I've had the impression that Ian started with the major characters in Toy Story and the names have moved toward the minor ones (no proof, just an impression). I'm sure it seemed to be a good idea at

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, Darac Marjal wrote: As you can see, the intention of code names is so that developers (of Debian) have a way to refer to an as-yet-unreleased collection of packages. Once those set of packages are released (literally, put out there in the wild), then they become a

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 12:21 PM Charles Curley wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 17:04:57 +0100 > Darac Marjal wrote: > > > OK, a question back at you, then: Why do you feel the need to > > remember Debian codenames? > > Imprimis: Because you use the code names as part of configuring > systems,

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 17:04:57 +0100 Darac Marjal wrote: > OK, a question back at you, then: Why do you feel the need to > remember Debian codenames? Imprimis: Because you use the code names as part of configuring systems, e.g. in /etc/apt/sources.list Secundus: Because some utilities and

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On 26/06/2023 09:18, Roger Price wrote: I have difficulty remembering the Debian code names for releases Buzz Rex Bo Hamm Slink Potato Woody Sarge Etch Lenny Squeeze Wheezy Jessie Stretch Buster Bullseye Bookworm Trixie and Forky. It's much easier to remember that release numbers are in a

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On 2023-06-26 at 11:40, Kent West wrote: > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:29 AM Arno Lehmann wrote: > >> >> Also, I struggle with the names, always need to go to the project web >> page or wikipedia if I need to look up which version has which name, and >> it's always a nuisance. >> > >

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

> Also, I struggle with the names, always need to go to the project web page > or wikipedia if I need to look up which version has which name, and it's > always a nuisance. > > A small one, though. Also, I really like the Debian project, its resulting > software collections, and thus my wish is

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:29 AM Arno Lehmann wrote: > > Also, I struggle with the names, always need to go to the project web > page or wikipedia if I need to look up which version has which name, and > it's always a nuisance. > > > Code-names are awesome. I prefer them to be something like

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

Hi all, I have read a few replies here. I am in no way affiliated with those people who originally introduced the names or assign them now. The only real answer to the actual question that I can see is "It's a tradition". Also, I struggle with the names, always need to go to the project

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Monday, June 26, 2023, Charles Curley wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 10:18:30 +0200 (CEST) > Roger Price wrote: > >> Is there some reason why Debian still continues to invent and use >> code names? > > At least use some sequence of code names with an order to them. > Ubuntu's code names are in

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 10:18:30 +0200 (CEST) Roger Price wrote: > Is there some reason why Debian still continues to invent and use > code names? At least use some sequence of code names with an order to them. Ubuntu's code names are in alphabetical order. Maybe the names of the elements? --

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:18:30AM +0200, Roger Price wrote: > I have difficulty remembering the Debian code names for releases Buzz Rex Bo > Hamm Slink Potato Woody Sarge Etch Lenny Squeeze Wheezy Jessie Stretch > Buster Bullseye Bookworm Trixie and Forky. > > It's much easier to remember that

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 4:18 AM Roger Price wrote: > > I have difficulty remembering the Debian code names for releases Buzz Rex Bo > Hamm Slink Potato Woody Sarge Etch Lenny Squeeze Wheezy Jessie Stretch Buster > Bullseye Bookworm Trixie and Forky. > > It's much easier to remember that release

Why does Debian have code names for releases?

I have difficulty remembering the Debian code names for releases Buzz Rex Bo Hamm Slink Potato Woody Sarge Etch Lenny Squeeze Wheezy Jessie Stretch Buster Bullseye Bookworm Trixie and Forky. It's much easier to remember that release numbers are in a sequence 1.1 ... 14. Quoting from Google's