From: Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Nah, Xerox at PARC invented the GUI, they actually made a computer that
> used it, but it was really bad. Both Steve Jobs (Mac guy) and Bill Gates
> visited PARC and saw their GUI. They both saw that this was where the
> computer interface should head.
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:
> On a sidebar, has anyone noticed that all of Jobs's companies have
> had good UIs. Apple, Next,
But they still operate under the assumption that the user has three hands.
Or at least a prehensile, well, never mind...
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On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Bill Bumgarner wrote:
> Maybe I'm just spoiled by years of NEXTSTEP-- but, damnit, NEXTSTEP
> really is the most well-inntegrated user inrface *ever* built.
> Seriously.
i suppose that's a matter of personal preference.
I have to work with nextstep machines and can't stand
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:
>
> Isn't X the GUI that started it all though? And the codes are there
> for all to see; so perhaps it served as the reference from which
> MSWindows, MAC and the others have evolved? The guys who wrote MAC
> and Windows must have studied X-Windows
From: "Richard G. Roberto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'm not a GUI programmer, so maybe its a neato devel platform,
> but 99.99% of people using computers aren't writing GUIs.
Yes, it was wonderful to develop for.
> Again, I'm not a developer, but NeXT seems to have achieved
> virtual bankrupcy.
Is there a debian-talk list? This is surely a candidate.
>
> Bill> So far the 'differences' have primarily been comprised of
> Bill> just plain crappy UI. Some apps let you double-click to
> Bill> select a word, some don't. Some let you triple-click to
> Bill> select a paragrap
Hi All!
The December '96 issue of Linux Journal (pp. 31-33) has an
interesting article entitled "V - A Free C++ GUI Framework for X" by Dr. Bruce
E. Wampler.
Maybe this will be of help with some of the problems outlined in this
thread? It is GPLed software. Looks pretty interesting.
Wampl
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Bill Bumgarner wrote:
> > # Have look at the kde project.
>
> The problem with kde is that they use qt, which has a very
> restrictive license that makes it non-free software (in
> particular, they do not allow any modified version of the
> library to be distributed).
Rememb
Stephen Early wrote:
>>> Creating a user interface under X that is as good as NextStep is just
>>> a matter of getting every X application author to agree to adhere to
>>> the same policy. I wish you luck.
Herbert Xu wrote:
>>I agree that this is very diffcult. But the Debian developers
>>should
Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Stephen Early wrote:
>> Creating a user interface under X that is as good as NextStep is just
>> a matter of getting every X application author to agree to adhere to
>> the same policy. I wish you luck.
>
>I agree that this is very diffcult. But the Debian d
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen Early) wrote on 15.11.96 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Creating a user interface under X that is as good as NextStep is just
> a matter of getting every X application author to agree to adhere to
> the same policy. I wish you luck.
Actually, this is a very good description
Bill Bumgarner writes:
> Now that I have an answer on the libc front (ie; 1.2 will ship with =
> 5.4.7), I'm going to reboot to Linux and produce 'official' 5.4.7 =
> compliant GCC 2.7.2.1 + GnuStep Threading Patches in short order. =20
>
> BTW: For now, I'm using the built in MIT_POSIX_THREADS.
rbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Bill Bumgarner wrote:
>
> # Have look at the kde
[claws out]
[box on]
>I have to vent.
>
OK,
>I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is
>still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface.
>
# I think you forgot to include open, free, expandable, flexible, . . .
Free, yes.
Expandable--
Stephen Early wrote:
>
> Ah. The X Window System is not a user interface. It is a standard by
> which applications can drive displays and input devices. It provides
> mechanism, not policy.
Sure. But I must remind you that we are concerned with
developping Debian, not X per se. Using the above
Bill Bumgarner wrote:
>
> # Have look at the kde project.
>
> I will-- and if it is as cool as you make it sound, I'll happily put
> together the debian packaging information...
The problem with kde is that they use qt, which has a very
restrictive license that makes it non-free software (in
par
[box on]
>I have to vent.
>
OK,
>I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is
>still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface.
>
I think you forgot to include open, free, expandable, flexible, . . . .
>The STUPIDITY of the whole thing
I'll repost this again now that the lists are back up. :-)
---
Bill Bumgarner wrote:
> I have to vent.
Vent on, dude.
> I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is
> still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface.
>
> The STUPIDITY of the whole
[no-longer CCed to debian-devel because this isn't a developer issue
really]
Bill Bumgarner writes:
>
> I have to vent.
>
> I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is
> still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface.
Ah. The X Window System i
Actually-- I thought it was appropriate for the devel list since it may
affect future development of debian at the user interface level.
Regardless, my followup is to debian-user only.
> There is no inter-application communication or awareness to speak of.
# This can be handelt via sockets,
Jim asked about GnuStep; Well-- a complete set of GnuStep packages have been
built by Karl Sackett and are awaiting my work on gcc [an attempt to fix a
crasher in the optimizer that causes the base GnuStep library to NOT be built
with optimization-- UGH!] before release.
Now that I have an an
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