Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: > To take a step back, I think this is a fair summary of the discussion. > Please let me know if you disagree: ... I agree to all points. It is a fair summary. > I think you've convinced me that the approach of stopping a socket by the > same name when s

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Sorry about the delay in responding. Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > Large time outs can cause bad side-efects on surprising ways. If the > socket is down, you get an immediate connection refused reply, which > short-circuits the time out. > As this is a generic feature, we could be talk

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > > [snip] > > Is there a reason debian-user is subscribed to this bug report? Please don't top-post. Probably because it's a debian-user@ thread that resulted in the the bug report and we were added to the cc as a (thoughtful) courtesy. -

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-02 Thread Chris Bannister
Is there a reason debian-user is subscribed to this bug report? On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 10:42:38AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Jonathan de Boyne Pollard > writes: [snip] -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people w

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > > Services being subject to a package update can be down for extended > > amounts of time (think package update that requires manual intervention, > > or even a full manual reconfiguration, etc), or may actually invol

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > Services being subject to a package update can be down for extended > amounts of time (think package update that requires manual intervention, > or even a full manual reconfiguration, etc), or may actually involve an > ABI break. In both cases, you want that

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 02 Aug 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: > Jonathan de Boyne Pollard > writes: > > And bugs #734766 and #734848 tell one the answer, which is that in order > > to preserve its existing conceptual model that there is just the one > > thing (named simply "acpid") invoke-rc.d should pull out the "soc

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard writes: > And bugs #734766 and #734848 tell one the answer, which is that in order > to preserve its existing conceptual model that there is just the one > thing (named simply "acpid") invoke-rc.d should pull out the "socket" > from the "service" by looking for a "Trigge

Re: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-07-28 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
ZH> $ sudo systemctl stop acpid ZH> Job for acpid.service canceled. ... because, as noted, it's a socket-activated service, which actually makes it two separately startable and stoppable things ("acpid.service" and "acpid.socket") in the world of systemd, only one of which is being stopped when yo

Re: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-07-26 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
Bug #736258 reopened, set to severity grave, and reassigned to systemd for further processing and action. Full explanation added to the bug report and CC'd to the bug report and to the systemd maintainers. -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and i

Re: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-07-26 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Am 26.07.2014 19:44, schrieb Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: > Since just about everything in a "modern desktop" will pester the acpi > netlink socket, please ask a systemd expert whether "systemctl stop" > *blocks* socket activation of that service until further notice, or not. > If it doesn't

Re: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-07-26 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Interrelated problem A: > $ ps aux|egrep -i acpid > root 318 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S< 12:40 0:00 [ktpacpid] > root 19855 0.0 0.0 4372 972 ?Ss 17:45 0:00 > /usr/sbin/acpid > $ sudo systemctl stop acpid > Job for

acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-07-26 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Debian sid acpid | 1:2.0.22-3 Interrelated problem A: $ ps aux|egrep -i acpid root 318 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S< 12:40 0:00 [ktpacpid] root 19855 0.0 0.0 4372 972 ?Ss 17:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/acpid $ sudo systemctl stop acpid Job for acpid.service canceled. $