Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 10:56:24AM -0600, dman wrote: > On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 04:00:38PM -0500, John Cichy wrote: > > | Now for the dark side... how hard can it be to connect a digital out on the > | cd player to a digital in on a computer and ... > > Can't be that hard, if you really do have

Re: Re[2]: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-29 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 07:43:30PM -0500, Sean wrote: > Of course the thing that just baffles my mind during this whole mp3 > nonsense is the fact that an mp3 is _not_ an exact digital copy of the > original. A 128kbit encoded mp3 is a very lossy compression, even higher > bitrates still aren't as

Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-26 Thread Joey Hess
Karsten M. Self wrote: > There's also a question of whether or not such products qualify for the > "Compact Disk" lable under the Phillips standard. Phillips itself > (inventer of the CD) has objected to DeCSS under similar grounds. Well I bought a CD today, which is from one of Sony's labels, an

RE: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-26 Thread Kurc, Marcin A.
AD Systems Administrator Cooper-Standard Automotive -Original Message- From: dman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:56 AM To: Debian Users List Subject: Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ? On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 04:00:38PM -0500, John Cichy wrote: | N

Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-26 Thread dman
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 04:00:38PM -0500, John Cichy wrote: | Now for the dark side... how hard can it be to connect a digital out on the | cd player to a digital in on a computer and ... Can't be that hard, if you really do have a digital out and digital in. (I don't have any quality sound eq

Re: Re[2]: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-26 Thread dman
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 07:43:30PM -0500, Sean wrote: | Of course the thing that just baffles my mind during this whole mp3 | nonsense is the fact that an mp3 is _not_ an exact digital copy of the | original. True, but notice too that a CD is not an exact copy of the sound created by the artist.

Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-26 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Mon, Mar 25, 2002, Oliver Elphick (olly@lfix.co.uk) wrote: > On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 15:54, Markus Grunwald wrote: > > Hi ! > > > > Some time ago, a friend of mine had a problem copying a copy-protected > > CD-Audio. He asked me to help copy it with my linux skills ;) > > > > Well, I couldn't si

Re: Re[2]: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Craig Dickson
begin Sean quotation: > I can't believe the lossy compression argument _never_ came up during > the whole Napster debaucle. The other side kept talking about how > downloading the songs was no different than listening to them off the > CD. That couldn't be more wrong. Either the Napster lawyers

Re: Re[2]: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Sean
Of course the thing that just baffles my mind during this whole mp3 nonsense is the fact that an mp3 is _not_ an exact digital copy of the original. A 128kbit encoded mp3 is a very lossy compression, even higher bitrates still aren't as pristine as the original. Same goes with ogg files, though I t

Re: Re[2]: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Dale Hair
Would the same work with the output jack on the cd player in the computer. I don't have any copy protected CDs to try this, or headphones either. On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 15:19, Alan Poulton wrote: > Monday, March 25, 2002, 1:00:38 PM, John Cichy wrote: > > > Now for the dark side... how hard can it

Re: Re[2]: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 15:19, Alan Poulton wrote: > Monday, March 25, 2002, 1:00:38 PM, John Cichy wrote: > > > Now for the dark side... how hard can it be to connect a digital out > > on the cd player to a digital in on a computer and ... > > I was just thinking the same thing.. why not use a hom

OT: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread John Cichy
On Monday 25 March 2002 16:55, Craig Dickson wrote: > begin Dave Steinberg quotation: > > According to the site, "...key2audio does not introduce artificial > > (C2) errors into the music, thereby preserving the title's original sound > > quality...A hidden signature applied to the disc during gl

Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Craig Dickson
begin Dave Steinberg quotation: > According to the site, "...key2audio does not introduce artificial > (C2) errors into the music, thereby preserving the title's original sound > quality...A hidden signature applied to the disc during glass master > manufacturing prevents playback on PC/MAC and

Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Craig Dickson
begin Alan Poulton quotation: > Monday, March 25, 2002, 1:00:38 PM, John Cichy wrote: > > > Now for the dark side... how hard can it be to connect a digital out > > on the cd player to a digital in on a computer and ... > > I was just thinking the same thing.. why not use a home stereo CD play

Re: Re[2]: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Alan Poulton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > Monday, March 25, 2002, 1:00:38 PM, John Cichy wrote: > > > Now for the dark side... how hard can it be to connect a digital out > > on the cd player to a digital in on a computer and ... > > I was just thinking the same thing.. why not use a hom

Re[2]: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Alan Poulton
Monday, March 25, 2002, 1:00:38 PM, John Cichy wrote: > Now for the dark side... how hard can it be to connect a digital out > on the cd player to a digital in on a computer and ... I was just thinking the same thing.. why not use a home stereo CD player and plug it into the Input of your sound c

Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread John Cichy
Stupid question...I thought making a copy of the original CD to 'preserve' it was 'acceptable' use?? On another note, I buy CDs (I know I can 'share' but until now, I like have the originals, I still have a collection of LPs, but no turntable ;-) for my office to play while I'm working, on my P

Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 20:26, Dave Steinberg wrote: > In that case, get ready to start making a lot of trips to the record > store. That assumes that I have the money to buy lots of CDs, and anyway I don't really see Naxos getting into this game. ... > According to the site, "...key2audio does no

RE: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Kurc, Marcin A.
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 3:27 PM To: Debian Users List Subject: Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ? On 25 Mar 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote: > I believe these copy-protection schemes work by introducing a lot of > errors on the CD. Audio CD players skip them but computers treat the CD

Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Dave Steinberg
On 25 Mar 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote: > I believe these copy-protection schemes work by introducing a lot of > errors on the CD. Audio CD players skip them but computers treat the CD > as faulty. > > If this were in Britain I would take the CD back to the shop as unfit > for the purpose for which

Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 19:59, Oliver Elphick wrote: > If this were in Britain I would take the CD back to the shop as unfit > for the purpose for which it was sold and/or complain to Trading > Standards. I should have thought that you could do something similar in > Germany, since the quality of t

Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 06:59:27PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: > On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 15:54, Markus Grunwald wrote: > > Hi ! > > > > Some time ago, a friend of mine had a problem copying a copy-protected > > CD-Audio. He asked me to help copy it with my linux skills ;) > > > > Well, I couldn't

Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 15:54, Markus Grunwald wrote: > Hi ! > > Some time ago, a friend of mine had a problem copying a copy-protected > CD-Audio. He asked me to help copy it with my linux skills ;) > > Well, I couldn't since cdparanoia and the like didn't work. Can you tell > me some linux tools

copy protected audio cds with linux ?

2002-03-25 Thread Markus Grunwald
Hi ! Some time ago, a friend of mine had a problem copying a copy-protected CD-Audio. He asked me to help copy it with my linux skills ;) Well, I couldn't since cdparanoia and the like didn't work. Can you tell me some linux tools who might help me with this task ? BTW: What we wanted to do is p