Re: cups (sharing network printer)

2016-05-09 Thread Brian
On Mon 09 May 2016 at 21:15:50 +0200, Pol Hallen wrote: > Hi all :) > > I've a cups printer server (192.168.1.10) with a network printer connected > (192.168.1.200). From that server I can print. > > how I have to configure the clients to print by that server? Set up the c

cups (sharing network printer)

2016-05-09 Thread Pol Hallen
Hi all :) I've a cups printer server (192.168.1.10) with a network printer connected (192.168.1.200). From that server I can print. how I have to configure the clients to print by that server? thanks for help! Pol

Re: [SOLUCIONADO] Re: Habilitar cups como servidor

2016-04-20 Thread Camaleón
gt; iniciar o no. Tiene que iniciar y dar los mensajes de aviso que quiera, >> pero iniciar. >> >> > Aún no me he quedado tranquilo con esto, y estoy de acuerdo con > Camaleón. > > En el portátil, con cups recién instalado, el servicio inicia, haya o no > impr

Re: [SOLUCIONADO] Re: Habilitar cups como servidor

2016-04-19 Thread Jorge A. Secreto
> > > No todos los 'daemons' están portados a systemd, o al menos, es lo que > están > > ahora mismo y actualmente. > > Al leer esto, se me ocurrió comprobar /etc/init.d/cups; al comienzo del > script, se hace algo con los puertos USB, creo que comprobando si hay >

Re: [SOLUCIONADO] Re: Habilitar cups como servidor

2016-04-19 Thread Juanjo
t; pero iniciar. > Aún no me he quedado tranquilo con esto, y estoy de acuerdo con Camaleón. En el portátil, con cups recién instalado, el servicio inicia, haya o no impresora. En la máquina de la que estamos hablando, tras varias pruebas, el que esté la impresora conectada es la única diferen

Re: [SOLUCIONADO] Re: Habilitar cups como servidor

2016-04-19 Thread Camaleón
El Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:39:04 +0200, Juanjo escribió: > Al leer esto, se me ocurrió comprobar /etc/init.d/cups; al comienzo del > script, se hace algo con los puertos USB, creo que comprobando si hay > impresoras. > > Je, me estaba volviendo loco, y era más fácil que todo. > &

Re: [SOLUCIONADO] Re: Habilitar cups como servidor

2016-04-19 Thread Santiago José López Borrazás
El 19/04/16 a las 13:39, Juanjo escribió: (...) > Personalmente, no me parece buena opción. ¿ no puedo dejarle configurado cups > a > un amigo en su portátil ?? ¡Sin ningún problema!...y tendrá todo...no fallará nada, apagues o enciendas la impresora. Si no está encendida y tiene

[SOLUCIONADO] Re: Habilitar cups como servidor

2016-04-19 Thread Juanjo
> Borra el fichero /etc/systemd/cups.conf, que no lo necesitas para nada, que > de momento no depende de él (en parte), depende de /etc/init.d/ > > No todos los 'daemons' están portados a systemd, o al menos, es lo que están > ahora mismo y actualmente. Al leer esto, se me ocurrió

Re: Habilitar cups como servidor

2016-04-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:37:29PM +0200, Juanjo wrote: > Acabo de reinstalar cupsd, y justo tras la instalación funciona > correctamente, escuchando en localhost:631. Pues insisto en que ese es el momento idóneo para usar la interfaz web. Véase imagen adjunta.

Re: Habilitar cups como servidor

2016-04-19 Thread Santiago José López Borrazás
El 19/04/16 a las 12:37, Juanjo escribió: (...) > Tengo la sospecha de que cupsd.service depende de algo que se inicia tarde, y > por eso en el arranque no carga pero en manual si. Borra el fichero /etc/systemd/cups.conf, que no lo necesitas para nada, que de momento no depende de él (en parte),

Re: Habilitar cups como servidor

2016-04-19 Thread Santiago José López Borrazás
El 19/04/16 a las 11:14, fernando sainz escribió: > A mi también me resulta muy extraño esto del systemd, pero creo que no > necesitas usarlo para configurar cups. > Creo que lo que quieres hacer se hace, bien por la interfaz web de > cups ( http://localhost:631/) o por los

Re: Habilitar cups como servidor

2016-04-19 Thread Juanjo
El Martes, 19 de abril de 2016 11:17:09 Santiago Vila escribió: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 10:44:18AM +0200, Juanjo wrote: > > Estoy intentando que el demonio cups escuche en la red. > > [...] > > ¿ Alguna sugerencia ? > > ¿Y no se te ha ocurrido configurar CUPS con el n

Re: Habilitar cups como servidor

2016-04-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 10:44:18AM +0200, Juanjo wrote: > Estoy intentando que el demonio cups escuche en la red. > [...] > ¿ Alguna sugerencia ? ¿Y no se te ha ocurrido configurar CUPS con el navegador, como siempre se hace? http://localhost:631

Re: Habilitar cups como servidor

2016-04-19 Thread fernando sainz
El día 19 de abril de 2016, 10:44, Juanjo <juanjolistascor...@gmail.com> escribió: > Hola gente. > > Estoy intentando que el demonio cups escuche en la red. > >>systemctl status cups.socket > ● cups.socket - CUPS Printing Service Sockets >Loaded: loaded (/

Habilitar cups como servidor

2016-04-19 Thread Juanjo
Hola gente. Estoy intentando que el demonio cups escuche en la red. >systemctl status cups.socket ● cups.socket - CUPS Printing Service Sockets Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/cups.socket; enabled) Active: inactive (dead) since mar 2016-04-19 10:27:22 CEST; 29s ago Listen: /var/

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-24 Thread Brian
On Wed 23 Mar 2016 at 20:31:31 +, Brian wrote: > pdl=application/octet-stream,image/urf" > > PDFs will not print. I own up to spreading misinformation if I implied > they would. I stated that an iOS device sends PDFs and then went on to deduce that the printer performs some conversion to

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-23 Thread Brian
On Wed 16 Mar 2016 at 16:14:47 +, Brian wrote: > On Wed 16 Mar 2016 at 12:06:40 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Wednesday 16 March 2016 10:12:59 Brian wrote: > > > > > Now find a *small* PDF file and send it directly to the printer with > > > netcat: > > > > > > nc 192.168.71.20 9100

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-23 Thread Brian
On Mon 21 Mar 2016 at 07:28:07 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > You wrote "contraining". I was asking whether you meant "constraining", > or whether "contraining" was some specialised technical vocabulary used > to describe an implied inverse correlation between two historical > trends. > >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-23 Thread Adam Wilson
On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:26:25 + Brian wrote: > On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 17:08:11 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > > > On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:19:55 + > > Brian wrote: > > > > > On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 12:08:02 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > > > > > >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-20 Thread David Wright
On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 12:08:02 (+0300), Adam Wilson wrote: > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:20:03 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > > On Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 13:03:52 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Friday 18 March 2016 12:55:26 Jarle Aase wrote: > > > > Den 11. mars 2016

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-20 Thread Brian
On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 17:08:11 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:19:55 + > Brian wrote: > > > On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 12:08:02 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:20:03 -0500 > > > David Wright wrote: >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-20 Thread Adam Wilson
On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 12:19:55 + Brian wrote: > On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 12:08:02 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:20:03 -0500 > > David Wright wrote: > > > > > On Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 13:03:52 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote: >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-20 Thread Brian
On Sun 20 Mar 2016 at 12:08:02 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:20:03 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > > On Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 13:03:52 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Friday 18 March 2016 12:55:26 Jarle Aase wrote: > > > > Den 11. mars 2016

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-20 Thread Adam Wilson
On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 14:20:03 -0500 David Wright wrote: > On Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 13:03:52 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 18 March 2016 12:55:26 Jarle Aase wrote: > > > Den 11. mars 2016 19:36, skrev Lisi Reisz: > > > > I have been reading this thread a bit

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Brian
On Wed 16 Mar 2016 at 12:06:40 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 16 March 2016 10:12:59 Brian wrote: > > > Now find a *small* PDF file and send it directly to the printer with > > netcat: > > > > nc 192.168.71.20 9100 < file.pdf > > > > or > > > > nc BRN001BA9E3811F.local < file.pdf

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread jdd
Le 18/03/2016 13:55, Jarle Aase a écrit : Actually, I need scanning more frequently than I need printing. The scanner works perfectly without any proprietary software on my PC. I have still not printed anything. scanner are for free nowaday (second hand), I even have an unused one :-) jdd

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Jarle Aase
Den 11. mars 2016 19:36, skrev Lisi Reisz: I have been reading this thread a bit at a time. I am bemused. Why, if you want life simple, and Free, etc., go for an AIO, which are notoriously troublesome? Why not go for a simple Brother laser printer? (If you want Brother.) Actually, I need

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Adam Wilson
On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 16:10:49 +0100 jdd wrote: > Le 15/03/2016 16:01, David Wright a écrit : > > > You write "Is Airprint free?". Is this a real question or a pointed > > remark designed to create more discussion? I can't tell. Why don't > > you just look it up? > > > > You write

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Brian
On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 23:18:30 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Gluttons for punishment eh? Remember, you did ask for it :( And nothu > ing has been excised. Uncut outputs are always the best. Thank you very much. [Useful avahi-browse record snipped to save bandwidth] > Now, I note 3 instances

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Jarle Aase
Den 10. mars 2016 21:01, skrev Brian: Did you go through all this to set up scanning on the device? Of course you didn't. So why not do the same with printing and not make a song and a dance about it. Scanning was simple, as the device use standard protocols. Currently I scan to a FTP

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 16 March 2016 10:12:59 Brian wrote: > On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 23:18:30 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Gluttons for punishment eh? Remember, you did ask for it :( And > > nothu ing has been excised. > > Uncut outputs are always the best. Thank you very much. > > [Useful avahi-browse

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread David Wright
On Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 13:03:52 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 18 March 2016 12:55:26 Jarle Aase wrote: > > Den 11. mars 2016 19:36, skrev Lisi Reisz: > > > I have been reading this thread a bit at a time. I am bemused. Why, if > > > you want life simple, and Free, etc., go for an AIO,

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Curt
On 2016-03-18, jdd wrote: > Le 18/03/2016 13:55, Jarle Aase a écrit : > >> Actually, I need scanning more frequently than I need printing. The >> scanner works perfectly without any proprietary software on my PC. I >> have still not printed anything. >> > > scanner are for free

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 18 March 2016 12:55:26 Jarle Aase wrote: > Den 11. mars 2016 19:36, skrev Lisi Reisz: > > I have been reading this thread a bit at a time. I am bemused. Why, if > > you want life simple, and Free, etc., go for an AIO, which are > > notoriously troublesome? Why not go for a simple

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-18 Thread Brian
On Fri 18 Mar 2016 at 14:41:04 +0200, Jarle Aase wrote: > Den 10. mars 2016 21:01, skrev Brian: > >Did you go through all this to set up scanning on the device? Of course > >you didn't. So why not do the same with printing and not make a song and a > >dance about it. > Scanning was simple, as the

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread Gene Heskett
> > > > > > > > 1. Install avahi-daemon and avahi-utils. > > > > > > > > 2. Do > > > > > > > > + eth0 IPv4 Brother HL-3170CDW series PDL Printer local > > > > > > > > and post the file

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
; > > > avahi-browse -art > discovered > > > > > > and post the file "discovered" here. Then we might progress. > > > > > > Your printer cannot deal with files sent directly from an iOS device. > > > Through the mediation of Debia

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread Brian
iscovered" here. Then we might progress. > > > > Your printer cannot deal with files sent directly from an iOS device. > > Through the mediation of Debian CUPS it can. > > But in order to do it, he would have to install Jessie, would he not? And I > don't think he ha

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
inter has to be dealt with in some way to ready it for printing. > > > Let's leave it there. It is interesting to speculate how a printer > > > processes a PDF sent from a driverless device but ultimately it is of > > > no great consequence because it is not under our control. &g

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread Brian
inter processes a > > PDF sent from a driverless device but ultimately it is of no great > > consequence because it is not under our control. > > It's of the greatest consequence if there's a way of getting a linux > box to send PDF files to an AirPrint printer and have them print.

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread jdd
Le 15/03/2016 16:01, David Wright a écrit : You write "Is Airprint free?". Is this a real question or a pointed remark designed to create more discussion? I can't tell. Why don't you just look it up? You write "not from me, but from others, may be." Perhaps you might google the following

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread David Wright
On Tue 15 Mar 2016 at 08:11:12 (+0100), jdd wrote: > Le 15/03/2016 03:30, David Wright a écrit : > >On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 22:43:04 (+0100), jdd wrote: > > >>so we already use an apple thing, why not two? > > > >Writing "why not" implies disapproval. > > not from me, but from others, may be. Else

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread David Wright
that the shiniest model she wants is going to be a great doorstop (or else she's going to have to print all my wants from a stick). -Buy a printer. -Find a driver that kind-of works. -Work round the problems that the driver throws up. > > > The part played by what is in the Bonjour broadcasts

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-15 Thread jdd
Le 15/03/2016 03:30, David Wright a écrit : On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 22:43:04 (+0100), jdd wrote: so we already use an apple thing, why not two? Writing "why not" implies disapproval. not from me, but from others, may be. Else why not use simply the Brother driver? Is Airprint free? and

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread David Wright
On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 22:43:04 (+0100), jdd wrote: > Le 14/03/2016 21:14, Brian a écrit : > >On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 21:00:01 +0100, jdd wrote: > > > >>Le 14/03/2016 20:31, Brian a écrit : > >> > >>notice that cups is apple, AFAIK > > > >So wha

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread jdd
Le 14/03/2016 21:14, Brian a écrit : On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 21:00:01 +0100, jdd wrote: Le 14/03/2016 20:31, Brian a écrit : notice that cups is apple, AFAIK So what? so we already use an apple thing, why not two? jdd

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread Brian
On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 21:00:01 +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 14/03/2016 20:31, Brian a écrit : > > notice that cups is apple, AFAIK So what?

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread jdd
Le 14/03/2016 20:31, Brian a écrit : You print and an hour later the contract is signed. very clever I do not know what your point is. nowhere, I simply didn't know about airprint befor reading this thread notice that cups is apple, AFAIK jdd

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread Brian
On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 15:39:01 +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 14/03/2016 14:10, David Wright a écrit : > > >"AirPrint is built into most popular printer models, like the ones > >listed in this article." which includes MFC-J5720DW in the list. > > > >Both from https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201311 >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread Adam Wilson
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:50:49 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > > fun at those who try

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread jdd
Le 14/03/2016 14:10, David Wright a écrit : "AirPrint is built into most popular printer models, like the ones listed in this article." which includes MFC-J5720DW in the list. Both from https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201311 may be popular in mac world, I never touched a printer with

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread Brian
nteresting to speculate how a printer processes a PDF sent from a driverless device but ultimately it is of no great consequence because it is not under our control. > > The part played by what is in the Bonjour broadcasts is crucial to the > > whole thing working. Apart from the questi

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread David Wright
On Mon 14 Mar 2016 at 08:43:06 (+0100), jdd wrote: > Le 14/03/2016 04:48, David Wright a écrit : > > >Why bother? The AirPrint technology built into the MFC-J5720DW printer > >can do that. Why can't CUPS send PDF down the wire to the printer, > >thereby avoiding all the

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-14 Thread jdd
Le 14/03/2016 04:48, David Wright a écrit : Why bother? The AirPrint technology built into the MFC-J5720DW printer can do that. Why can't CUPS send PDF down the wire to the printer, thereby avoiding all the driver-crap? You've just said "The AirPrint facility handles a PDF" (requ

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread David Wright
sent to an Airprint capable printer is converted to BUL (the Brother > > > Unknown Language) as it would be if it was processed on a workstation by > > > CUPS. > > > > > > Note that this is a conversion, not an interpretation. An interpreter > > >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread jdd
Le 13/03/2016 20:40, Brian a écrit : *Direct* PDF printing is usually indicated in the printer's literature. nothing is never sure. When it's so easy to try why don't? this airprint feature is surprising In what way? if it don't support pdf... but may be there is a pdf translator in

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread Brian
On Sun 13 Mar 2016 at 20:21:45 +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 13/03/2016 20:12, David Wright a écrit : > > >As I said, you're in a different price bracket. Guessing by what I've > >seen, it's partly because PDF printing tends to come with lasers > >and ethernet, ie for office documents, not home

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread Brian
wn Language) as it would be if it was processed on a workstation by > > CUPS. > > > > Note that this is a conversion, not an interpretation. An interpreter > > produces a raster image and this happens later when the RIP deals with > > BUL. > > So you appear to be

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread jdd
Le 13/03/2016 20:12, David Wright a écrit : As I said, you're in a different price bracket. Guessing by what I've seen, it's partly because PDF printing tends to come with lasers and ethernet, ie for office documents, not home photographs. but did you really try to send a pdf to your

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread David Wright
On Sun 13 Mar 2016 at 09:04:47 (+0100), jdd wrote: > Le 13/03/2016 05:34, David Wright a écrit : > > >Well, let's assume that most people buy their equipment rather than > >being given it for free. > > I also bought one for $25 (the two of them had already 200.000 > copies done :-) - but it's an

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 22:34:41 -0600 David Wright wrote: ... > The HP5M is solely a printer which is fine as far as it goes, but now > I need to buy a scanner, and quite possibly a fax machine, as well. > AFAICT I'd have to use it through a parallel (or serial?)

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-13 Thread jdd
Le 13/03/2016 05:34, David Wright a écrit : Well, let's assume that most people buy their equipment rather than being given it for free. I also bought one for $25 (the two of them had already 200.000 copies done :-) - but it's an obsolete machine now of course it was trash bin machines,

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread David Wright
th me. > The PDL of choice for AirPrint capable devices is PDF. A PDF document > sent to an Airprint capable printer is converted to BUL (the Brother > Unknown Language) as it would be if it was processed on a workstation by > CUPS. > > Note that this is a conversion, not an inte

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread David Wright
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 08:44:48 (+0100), jdd wrote: > Le 11/03/2016 21:28, David Wright a écrit : > > >You must live in a different price bracket from me. > > nope. I had at least two HP5M for free ten years ago... they died > recently. Well, let's assume that most people buy their equipment

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 15:27:00 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 15:01:58 Brian wrote: > > > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 14:08:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > My Brother HL3170CDW has a wireless interface, but no clue as to its > > > usability with airprint, mainly because I

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 15:01:58 Brian wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 14:08:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > My Brother HL3170CDW has a wireless interface, but no clue as to its > > usability with airprint, mainly because I have it disabled in its > > own menu's and have not explored that

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 17:01:36 -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 19:18:25 + > Brian wrote: > > > A big spoon for stirring and continuing to spread this view would be > > more suitable. :) > > > > Debian is not about freedom of choice. Can this be seen

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Ron
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 19:18:25 + Brian wrote: > > > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants > > > > to use binary blobs?? > > > Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about freedom of choice" > > > means "you are free to accept MY

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 14:08:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > My Brother HL3170CDW has a wireless interface, but no clue as to its > usability with airprint, mainly because I have it disabled in its own > menu's and have not explored that route to moving data. The existence of a wireless

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 14:18:25 Brian wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 13:47:06 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 12 March 2016 08:21:14 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + > > > > > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > And the Everything Free

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 12 March 2016 19:13:20 Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 12 March 2016 18:22:11 Brian wrote: > > > It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > > > > > > > vegetables or not?". Sorry, Brian. Of course you didn't say that. It is one of the snags of KMail that it

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 13:47:06 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 08:21:14 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + > > > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants > > > to use

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 13:30:45 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 18:22:11 Brian wrote: > > It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > > > > > vegetables or not?". > > Did anyone ever really claim that snails are vegetables??? I find > that hard to believe! > >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 13:22:11 Brian wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 08:50:49 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > > fun at those who try to put some effort into

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 08:21:14 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants > > to use binary blobs?? > > Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:46:08 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:50:49 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > > fun at those who try to put some effort

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 12 March 2016 18:22:11 Brian wrote: > It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > > > vegetables or not?". Did anyone ever really claim that snails are vegetables??? I find that hard to believe! Lisi

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 08:50:49 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Ron
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants to use > binary blobs?? Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about freedom of choice" means "you are free to accept MY choices, and no

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 14:00:00 +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 12/03/2016 13:22, Brian a écrit : > > >on the printer. AirPrint uses exactly the same printer as CUPS but > >the conversion done by brother_lpdwrapper_mfcj5720dw has to be on > >the printer in firmware. Then the

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 12/03/2016 11:32 PM, deloptes wrote: > IMO it is not likely that one adds a spy software on such low cost device - > what for? If you want to print confidentail information - there are other > types of printers and setups you could do so. Well, it doesn't need to have it's own /spyware/

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread jdd
Le 12/03/2016 13:22, Brian a écrit : on the printer. AirPrint uses exactly the same printer as CUPS but the conversion done by brother_lpdwrapper_mfcj5720dw has to be on the printer in firmware. Then the RIP takes over. The RIP is not converting PDF to raster format. There is no PDF interpreter

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:50:49 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
. Hence the silence. > > it have one for airprint, but may be this one is only available for aiprint, > not for usb (ridiculous, I know, but we see such thing often) It has been said in this thread that "Printers are dark and muddy"; there is no need to muddy their opera

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
ordable and understands pretty well PS > (well, officially it's "brotherscript" -- really!) but it works nicely > either from the whole CUPS gorilla or from a more traditional lprng > installation. > > No blobs, no frills. Only this stupid 99.9% compatible PS ripoff is > some

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread jdd
Le 12/03/2016 10:56, Brian a écrit : The PDL of choice for AirPrint capable devices is PDF. A PDF document The important word is "direct". The MFC-J5720DW doesn't have a PDF interpreter. Hence the silence. it have one for airprint, but may be this one is only available for aiprint, not

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
processed on a workstation by CUPS. Note that this is a conversion, not an interpretation. An interpreter produces a raster image and this happens later when the RIP deals with BUL. > > Whether the printer > > handles direct PDF printing is questionable. But it's a decent idea to > &g

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread jdd
Le 12/03/2016 08:50, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit : So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary blobs. no, not for me. there are two parts: having a

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread tomas
te affordable and understands pretty well PS (well, officially it's "brotherscript" -- really!) but it works nicely either from the whole CUPS gorilla or from a more traditional lprng installation. No blobs, no frills. Only this stupid 99.9% compatible PS ripoff is sometimes annoying,

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-11 Thread jdd
Le 11/03/2016 21:28, David Wright a écrit : You must live in a different price bracket from me. nope. I had at least two HP5M for free ten years ago... they died recently. There are ps compatible printer for cheap for years now. for pdf, I only have seen this on news papers, but the

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 March 2016 15:28:57 David Wright wrote: > On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 20:11:51 (+0100), jdd wrote: > > Le 11/03/2016 19:39, David Wright a écrit : > > >It would seem odd to support PDF printing and be silent on the > > > matter in the printer's literature, eg > > >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 March 2016 14:11:51 jdd wrote: > Le 11/03/2016 19:39, David Wright a écrit : > > It would seem odd to support PDF printing and be silent on the > > matter in the printer's literature, eg > > www.printerbase.co.uk/spec/pdf/brother-mfcj5720dw.pdf > > says > > Supporting: > > JPEG, BMP,

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 March 2016 12:50:32 Brian wrote: > On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 15:30:13 +0100, Hans wrote: > > as far as I know you need the packages from the Brother site. As > > soon you got them installed, start a browser and go to > > http://localhost:631 > > > > Then there should a gui start, where

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-11 Thread David Wright
On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 20:11:51 (+0100), jdd wrote: > Le 11/03/2016 19:39, David Wright a écrit : > > >It would seem odd to support PDF printing and be silent on the matter > >in the printer's literature, eg > >www.printerbase.co.uk/spec/pdf/brother-mfcj5720dw.pdf > > says > > Supporting: > >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-11 Thread jdd
Le 11/03/2016 19:39, David Wright a écrit : It would seem odd to support PDF printing and be silent on the matter in the printer's literature, eg www.printerbase.co.uk/spec/pdf/brother-mfcj5720dw.pdf says Supporting: JPEG, BMP, PDF, TIFF, PNG I read "PDF". It seems than most printers

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-11 Thread David Wright
On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 17:48:01 (+), Brian wrote: > On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 15:24:07 +0100, jdd wrote: > > > Le 11/03/2016 14:00, Brian a écrit : > > > > >2. You are very uneasy about having a proprietary driver for printing on > > >your machine, so are seeking a way not to use it and have

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 15:30:13 +0100, Hans wrote: > as far as I know you need the packages from the Brother site. As soon you got > them installed, start a browser and go to http://localhost:631 > > Then there should a gui start, where you can configure your printer. This is exactly what the

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 15:24:07 +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 11/03/2016 14:00, Brian a écrit : > > >2. You are very uneasy about having a proprietary driver for printing on > >your machine, so are seeking a way not to use it and have only standard > >Debian/Linux drivers. > > this printer

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 11:14:34 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 11:12:57AM +0100, deloptes wrote: > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 08:18:01PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > >> You must have a lot of time boy, you must be

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