Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote:
(it is, isn't it? :-) )
So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo, and
are searching for our new environment. From my personal experience I
would say debian stable - any hard evidence to support the claim? Server
OS statistics? Statistics for
Hardware platform support is a big part of it, given that the source is
for the most part available to any consulting organization to aid in the
customization and solution to problems.
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 23:14 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
John Hasler put forth on 2/23/2010 5:20 PM:
Stan
On 22/02/2010 23:09, Jan Hlodan wrote:
Depending on what you want to use the servers for,
I prefer Solaris 10 to FreeBSD for servers. I think, Solaris is more
powerful, stable and better supported than FreeBSD.
I've never used Solaris though I've wanted to give it a try for some
time
Dotan Cohen put forth on 2/22/2010 3:02 PM:
Don't forget that there is a FreeBSD-based Debian distro out there. I
don't know how it fares compared to the GNU/Linux Debian distro in
terms of application support, but the Debian name carries a lot of
weight in terms of stability and security. As
Jan Hlodan put forth on 2/22/2010 5:09 PM:
Depending on what you want to use the servers for,
I prefer Solaris 10 to FreeBSD for servers. I think, Solaris is more
powerful, stable and better supported than FreeBSD.
Solaris (SPARC) or Open Solaris (x86)? If the latter, I hope for your sake
Michal wrote:
Well, we 're not Google or Facebook, and we would like to stick with
linux...
I'm not 100% sure what that has to do with anything...I'm taking a a
guess at maybe your thinking of high performance web sites in which case
it has a lot of uses over just that, if that's what
Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
Γιώργος Πάλλας gp...@ccf.auth.gr :
(it is, isn't it? :-) )
So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo
What reasons have you collected to decide to move from Gentoo?
I want 'x' program installed, and I want it *now* to solve a
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:13:46 -0500 (EST), Stan Hoeppner wrote:
CxOs prefer paid vendor support contracts. They want an
emergency phone number and real, deep answers available when systems implode
to the point internal staff can't figure out the problem and fix it.
This is also why Red Hat
Hi:
On Tuesday 23 February 2010 12:41:43 Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote:
Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
[...]
The drop that filled the bucket (or whatever the expression is), was
that we can't have the latest PHP with the latest SNMP module because of
a certain PHP bug that is refused to be dealt
On Mon,22.Feb.10, 10:51:44, Stephen Powell wrote:
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but you might find these links
useful:
http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
http://www.debian.org/users/
http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros
And because paid support was mentioned let me
Andrei Popescu put forth on 2/23/2010 4:26 PM:
And because paid support was mentioned let me add:
http://www.debian.org/consultants/
This doesn't count. We're talking _vendor_ support, and access to
developers. For example, AFAIK, both Novell and Red Hat will write and
maintain custom
Stan writes:
They want a big name vendor with big dollars in the bank backing that
support contract.
Vendor is the key word here. They want vendor support because,
still being stuck in the closed-source mindset, they think that only the
vendor has source and can supply full support.
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:20:55 -0500 (EST), John Hasler wrote:
Stan writes:
They want a big name vendor with big dollars in the bank backing that
support contract.
Vendor is the key word here. They want vendor support because,
still being stuck in the closed-source mindset, they think that
Stephen Powell writes:
They also want someone with deep pockets that they can sue if things
really go south.
Have you looked at the license agreements on the closed-source stuff
they buy?
A subchapter S corporation run by John Q. Consultant doesn't have
deep enough pockets.
There are
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:19:08 -0500 (EST), John Hasler writes:
Have you looked at the license agreements on the closed-source stuff
they buy?
Yeah, I know. It's a mindset more than anything else.
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John Hasler put forth on 2/23/2010 5:20 PM:
Stan writes:
They want a big name vendor with big dollars in the bank backing that
support contract.
Vendor is the key word here. They want vendor support because,
still being stuck in the closed-source mindset, they think that only the
vendor
(it is, isn't it? :-) )
So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo, and
are searching for our new environment. From my personal experience I
would say debian stable - any hard evidence to support the claim? Server
OS statistics? Statistics for stableness? Bugs? Any white
On 22/02/2010 13:01, Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote:
(it is, isn't it? :-) )
So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo, and
are searching for our new environment. From my personal experience I
would say debian stable - any hard evidence to support the claim? Server
OS
On 22/02/2010 13:01, ÎιÏÏÎ³Î¿Ï Î Î¬Î»Î»Î±Ï wrote:
(it is, isn't it? :-) )
So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo,
and
are searching for our new environment. From my personal experience
I
would say debian stable - any hard evidence to support the claim?
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Tim Clewlow t...@clewlow.org wrote:
On 22/02/2010 13:01, Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote:
(it is, isn't it? :-) )
So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo,
and
are searching for our new environment. From my personal experience
I
would say
Γιώργος Πάλλας put forth on 2/22/2010 7:01 AM:
(it is, isn't it? :-) )
So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo, and
are searching for our new environment. From my personal experience I
would say debian stable - any hard evidence to support the claim? Server
OS
Tim Clewlow wrote:
On 22/02/2010 13:01, ΓιώÏγος Πάλλας wrote:
(it is, isn't it? :-) )
So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo,
and
are searching for our new environment. From my personal experience
I
would say debian stable - any hard evidence to
Well, we 're not Google or Facebook, and we would like to stick with
linux...
I'm not 100% sure what that has to do with anything...I'm taking a a
guess at maybe your thinking of high performance web sites in which case
it has a lot of uses over just that, if that's what you think.
2010/2/22 Γιώργος Πάλλας gp...@ccf.auth.gr:
(it is, isn't it? :-) )
So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo, and are
searching for our new environment. From my personal experience I would say
debian stable - Server OS
statistics? Bugs? Any white papers showing
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:10:19 +
Michal mic...@ionic.co.uk wrote:
Well, we 're not Google or Facebook, and we would like to stick with
linux...
I'm not 100% sure what that has to do with anything...I'm taking a a
guess at maybe your thinking of high performance web sites in
On 22/02/2010 15:27, Celejar wrote:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:10:19 +
Michal mic...@ionic.co.uk wrote:
Well, we 're not Google or Facebook, and we would like to stick with
linux...
I'm not 100% sure what that has to do with anything...I'm taking a a
guess at maybe your thinking of
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:01:05 +0200, Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote:
(it is, isn't it? :-) )
Oh, I hope so :-P
So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo, and
are searching for our new environment. From my personal experience I
would say debian stable - any hard evidence to
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:01:05 -0500 (EST), Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote:
Subject: how to convince that debian is one the three major choices for a
stable server environment?
(it is, isn't it? :-) )
So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo, and
are searching for our new
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:32:37 -0500 (EST), Γιώργος Πάλλας wrote:
Well, we 're not Google or Facebook, and we would like to stick with
linux...
Here's another link I forgot:
http://www.debian.org/ports/
If all you care about is the x86 derivatives, then this may not be a big
issue for you,
Stephen Powell wrote:
http://www.debian.org/misc/awards
Note that Debian made Server distribution of the year in 2008,
according to a member survey conducted by LinuxQuestions.org.
It's likely worth noting that Debian's just done it again:
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:51:40 -0500 (EST), Avi Greenbury wrote:
Stephen Powell wrote:
http://www.debian.org/misc/awards
Note that Debian made Server distribution of the year in 2008,
according to a member survey conducted by LinuxQuestions.org.
It's likely worth noting that Debian's just
2010/2/22 Γιώργος Πάλλας gp...@ccf.auth.gr
(it is, isn't it? :-) )
So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo, and are
searching for our new environment. From my personal experience I would say
debian stable - any hard evidence to support the claim? Server OS
Γιώργος Πάλλας gp...@ccf.auth.gr :
(it is, isn't it? :-) )
So, yes, we are moving on from our 10year experience with gentoo
What reasons have you collected to decide to move from Gentoo?
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I could think of a ton of reasons a company would want to move from
Gentoo. Primarily related to maintenance time on the machine.
Lets just take this example: A new vulnerability is found in kernels
below version X. In debian often the kernel will get patched to fixed
said vulnerability and can
Jordan Metzmeier titan8...@gmail.com :
Lets just take this example: A new vulnerability is found in kernels
below version X. In debian often the kernel will get patched to fixed
said vulnerability and can be installed via the package manager. If it
were a Gentoo box the administrator of the
The patches are released. The way that it works is that when you
`emerge` your kernel sources the package manager downloads the
sources, untars to /usr/src/, and automatically applies the patches
provided by the Gentoo kernel team. AFAIK, Gentoo does not patch older
kernel versions when a new one
Depending on what you want to use the servers for, OpenBSD
Don't forget that there is a FreeBSD-based Debian distro out there. I
don't know how it fares compared to the GNU/Linux Debian distro in
terms of application support, but the Debian name carries a lot of
weight in terms of stability and
Depending on what you want to use the servers for,
I prefer Solaris 10 to FreeBSD for servers. I think, Solaris is more
powerful, stable and better supported than FreeBSD.
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