Re: apt-get update lists

2004-06-20 Thread richard lyons
On Sunday 20 June 2004 03:58, Jules Dubois wrote: [...] I don't have the URL handy, but debian.org has an APT user's guide. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: apt-get update lists - Thanks

2004-06-20 Thread Brian Astill
Thanks to all those helpful people who responded. I have three HDs and around 70G free, so I'll keep Knoppix as my working system and gradually work up a true Debian system on a separate partition. From discussions on this list it seems that testing (sarge) is the way to go initially. I have

apt-get update lists

2004-06-19 Thread Brian Astill
on my own system, rather than extensively use the resources of debian.org. Secondly, is the explanation for this listing in /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_pub_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages Package: abiword Priority: extra Section: editors Installed-Size: 48 ... Description

Re: apt-get update lists

2004-06-19 Thread Carl Fink
On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 09:03:47PM -0400, Brian Astill wrote: I have just started to use Debian - some would say I still haven't started because I'm using Knoppix 3.4 installed on my HD. sigh [snip] Is there a list of packages sorted by Section, rather than by Package, without logging

Re: apt-get update lists

2004-06-19 Thread Kent West
Brian Astill wrote: I have just started to use Debian - some would say I still haven't started because I'm using Knoppix 3.4 installed on my HD. sigh sigh all you want, but Knoppix is not Debian; it is based on Debian. Having said that, I'd agree that you're now located in the Debian

Re: apt-get update lists

2004-06-19 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 09:03:47PM -0400, Brian Astill wrote: I have just started to use Debian - some would say I still haven't started because I'm using Knoppix 3.4 installed on my HD. sigh ... Is there a list of packages sorted by Section, rather than by Package, without logging

Re: apt-get update lists

2004-06-19 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 09:49:52AM -0500, Kent West wrote: Brian Astill wrote: I have just started to use Debian - some would say I still haven't started because I'm using Knoppix 3.4 installed on my HD. sigh sigh all you want, but Knoppix is not Debian; it is based on Debian. Having

Re: OT: Viruses on lists

2004-05-12 Thread steef
On Monday 10 May 2004 22:22, Jonathan Matthews wrote: Paul Johnson had the gall to say: Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Almost. murphy generates a bounce and sends it to the list manager (mailman, majordomo, ezmlm, etc. - I don't know what one murphy is

Fwd: Re: OT: Viruses on lists

2004-05-12 Thread steef
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: OT: Viruses on lists Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:45:51 +0200 From: steef [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Monday 10 May 2004 22:22, Jonathan Matthews wrote: Paul Johnson had the gall to say: Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL

Re: OT: Viruses on lists

2004-05-10 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonathan Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My choice is to simply drop viruses. I don't expect to have any legit messages falsely identified as viral, and dropping the message simply removes waste from the network bandwidth and disk storage

Re: OT: Viruses on lists

2004-05-10 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 09:22:41PM +0100, Jonathan Matthews wrote: Paul Johnson had the gall to say: Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Almost. murphy generates a bounce and sends it to the list manager (mailman, majordomo, ezmlm, etc. - I don't know what one murphy

Re: OT: Viruses on lists

2004-05-10 Thread Pascal Hakim
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 02:06:43PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: Almost. murphy generates a bounce and sends it to the list manager (mailman, majordomo, ezmlm, etc. - I don't know what one murphy is running). The list manager then counts that against you in its determination of which

Re: OT: Viruses on lists

2004-05-10 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
, however, reject messages with certain spam-like characteristics (for example, invalid sender domain). As a result, one of the lists I subscribe to periodically sends me a probe to see if my address really is invalid. Of course, the probe works and I am not removed from the list, but it is still

Re: OT: Viruses on lists

2004-05-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Since the mail has already been received and accepted by murphy, am | I just pushing the sending of spoofed bounce messages one stage back | up the email processing ladder? Almost. murphy generates a bounce and sends it to the list manager

Re: OT: Viruses on lists

2004-05-10 Thread Jonathan Matthews
Paul Johnson had the gall to say: Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Almost. murphy generates a bounce and sends it to the list manager (mailman, majordomo, ezmlm, etc. - I don't know what one murphy is running). The list manager then counts that against you in its

Re: OT: Viruses on lists

2004-05-10 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 09:22:41PM +0100, Jonathan Matthews wrote: | Paul Johnson had the gall to say: | Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | [snip] | Almost. murphy generates a bounce and sends it to the list manager | (mailman, majordomo, ezmlm, etc. - I don't know what one

OT: Viruses on lists

2004-05-09 Thread Jonathan Matthews
Evenin' all. I've installed ClamAV+Exim4 to reject viruses at SMTP time. d-u's headers don't seem to mention anything about /virus/ scanning (as opposed to SpamAssassin), so I guess I'm ok asking this question here: The whole point of having virus scanning while the sender still has an open

Re: OT: Viruses on lists

2004-05-09 Thread Paul Johnson
Jonathan Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm fine with (a) - I think that still holds - but is (b) incorrect when dealing with listmail? I don't believe so. I do it. Since the mail has already been received and accepted by murphy, am I just pushing the sending of spoofed bounce

Symantec AntiVirus Scans debian lists?

2004-04-24 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
I have noticed that in all the messages the following header appears: X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Does it mean that the debian list headquarters is using Symantec for virus scanning, or it is done somewhere down the line? If the Debian Group is doing it, isnt it ironic

Re: Symantec AntiVirus Scans debian lists?

2004-04-24 Thread Florian Ernst
Hello Antonio! On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 06:21:04AM -0400, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: I have noticed that in all the messages the following header appears: X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Does it mean that the debian list headquarters is using Symantec for virus scanning, or it is

Re: Symantec AntiVirus Scans debian lists?

2004-04-24 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 12:37:31PM +0200, Florian Ernst wrote: Hello Antonio! On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 06:21:04AM -0400, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: I have noticed that in all the messages the following header appears: X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Does it mean that the

Re: Symantec AntiVirus Scans debian lists?

2004-04-24 Thread DGLU TR
On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 12:37:31PM +0200, Florian Ernst wrote: Hello Antonio! PS: Honoring your Mail-Followup-To... Im trying to fix this problem. I just wrote `set followup_to=no´ in my .muttrc. I am missreading the manual pages for muttrc? It says there that it is set to yes by default, so

Re: Symantec AntiVirus Scans debian lists?

2004-04-24 Thread Florian Ernst
for muttrc? It says there that it is set to yes by default, so obviously I have to invert it. Or it is not the setting to be changed? thank you 4 ur help. Perhaps looking at http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-4.html#ss4.8 will provide further insight into the process on mailing lists

Help about lists at pro.dolist.net

2004-04-20 Thread DOLIST Server Pro 4.12.9 B6606
at truffe-perigord-noir.com is request. This list manager controls all lists. Next you need to know the name of the list you wish to join or leave. Now send a message to the list manager with a command in the body of the message being join list-name or leave list-name (you can also use

proxy lists

2004-04-19 Thread Ted Strong
help need good bess bypassing proxys can you help grade 10 student -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Fwd: Reading Package Lists... Error!

2004-04-13 Thread arnaud cornaille
/main Release Hit http://ftp.fr.debian.org stable/contrib Sources Hit http://ftp.fr.debian.org stable/contrib Release Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Unable to write mmap - msync (28 No space left on device) E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. malefoxipal:~# df

falla APT: Reading Package Lists... Error

2004-03-15 Thread Alejandro Pando G.
PROTECTED]:~]$ sudo apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while processing zope-translationservice (NewFileVer1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ddtp.debian.org_aptable_dists_es_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages E: The package lists

Re: falla APT: Reading Package Lists... Error

2004-03-15 Thread Ruben Porras
...' Edjunto textual lo que me dice fiel amiga [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ sudo apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while processing zope-translationservice (NewFileVer1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists

falla APT: Reading Package Lists... Error

2004-03-12 Thread Alejandro Pando G.
PROTECTED]:~]$ sudo apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while processing zope-translationservice (NewFileVer1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ddtp.debian.org_aptable_dists_es_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages E: The package lists

Re: falla APT: Reading Package Lists... Error

2004-03-12 Thread Fernando M. Maresca
porfavor...' Edjunto textual lo que me dice fiel amiga [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ sudo apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while processing zope-translationservice (NewFileVer1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists

Help about lists at pro.dolist.net

2004-03-09 Thread DOLIST Server Pro 4.12.5 B6427
at truffe-perigord-noir.com is request. This list manager controls all lists. Next you need to know the name of the list you wish to join or leave. Now send a message to the list manager with a command in the body of the message being join list-name or leave list-name (you can also use

promail and address lists

2004-01-26 Thread Matt Price
Thanks to help, I now have my bash script (for copying mail to a web page) working. Ideally I would do something slightly more complex: copy mails to a web page, then forward those same mails on to a list of addresses. So my originjal procmail recipe was: :0: * ? $FORMAIL -xFrom: -xSender:

Lists of commands

2004-01-16 Thread David . Grudek
I am looking for a list of commands that are only to debian. I want to learn debian but it would be nice if there was a list of commands that are specific to debian and a description of what these commands do. If it exists, please let me know. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Lists of commands

2004-01-16 Thread Oliver Fuchs
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a list of commands that are only to debian. I want to learn debian but it would be nice if there was a list of commands that are specific to debian and a description of what these commands do. If it exists, please let me

FW: Sun certifications make top lists!

2003-12-15 Thread Sreelal Chandrasenan
-Original Message- From: Java Training News [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:04 AM To: Sreelal Chandrasenan Subject: Sun certifications make top lists! Dear Sreelal Chandrasenan, --- You

apt Fehlermeldung: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened

2003-12-12 Thread Heino Tiedemann
Lists... Error! | E: Encountered a section with no Package: header | E: Problem with MergeList | /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.freenet.de_pub_debian-openoffice_dists_woody_main_binary-i386_Packages | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. ` ,[ sources.list

Re: apt Fehlermeldung: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened

2003-12-12 Thread Martin Brauns
Release | Reading Package Lists... Error! | E: Encountered a section with no Package: header | E: Problem with MergeList | /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.freenet.de_pub_debian-openoffice_dists_woody_main_binary-i386_Packages | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened

Re: apt Fehlermeldung: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened

2003-12-12 Thread Chris Halls
On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 15:39, Heino Tiedemann wrote: | Reading Package Lists... Error! | E: Encountered a section with no Package: header | E: Problem with MergeList | /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.freenet.de_pub_debian-openoffice_dists_woody_main_binary-i386_Packages | E: The package lists

Re: apt Fehlermeldung: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened

2003-12-12 Thread Heino Tiedemann
Martin Brauns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heino Tiedemann schrieb: Hallo, beim heutigen apt-get update passierte folgendes: ,[ apt-get update ] | Hit http://backports.org woody/mozilla Packages [..] | Hit http://ftp.freenet.de woody/contrib Release | Reading Package Lists... Error! | E

Re: mutt, key bindings and debian mailing lists

2003-11-16 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 at 06:49 GMT, ScruLoose penned: I need to start keeping a list of little tweaks I'm making all over the system, so I'll be able to roll them out on later installs... I keep various config files in cvs. Makes it really easy to sync up accounts on multiple systems. Of

Re: mutt, key bindings and debian mailing lists

2003-11-15 Thread ScruLoose
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 11:10:25AM +0100, Florian Ernst wrote: Hello 'ScruLoose'! Howdy, Flo! On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 07:13:31PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: I wonder whether the .muttrc is flexible enough to support something like looking for known list addresses when you hit r, and giving you

Re: mutt, key bindings and debian mailing lists

2003-11-14 Thread Florian Ernst
Hello 'ScruLoose'! On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 07:13:31PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: I wonder whether the .muttrc is flexible enough to support something like looking for known list addresses when you hit r, and giving you an are you sure? prompt... Somehow I doubt the .muttrc file is up to that job,

Re: mutt, key bindings and debian mailing lists

2003-11-14 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 11:10:25AM +0100, Florian Ernst wrote: How about adding macro index r list-replyreply macro pager r list-replyreply to you .muttrc? It will just act as usual when only a reply seems possible and automatically do a list-reply otherwise. It even beeps once in this

Re: mutt, key bindings and debian mailing lists

2003-11-13 Thread ScruLoose
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 05:03:35PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 10:42:09AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to use mutt's builtin support for mailing lists? Add the line subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] plus other lists you're on, naturally

mutt, key bindings and debian mailing lists

2003-11-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
' folder-hook !debian 'bind pager r reply' This works fine for my mailing lists that are filtered into folders matching the regular-expression 'debian', however it would be nice to have it a bit more generic: message-hook ~l 'bind pager r list-reply' message-hook !~l 'bind

Re: mutt, key bindings and debian mailing lists

2003-11-11 Thread ScruLoose
pager r list-reply' folder-hook !debian 'bind index r reply' folder-hook !debian 'bind pager r reply' This works fine for my mailing lists that are filtered into folders matching the regular-expression 'debian', however it would be nice to have it a bit more generic

Re: mutt, key bindings and debian mailing lists

2003-11-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 10:42:09AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to use mutt's builtin support for mailing lists? Add the line subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] plus other lists you're on, naturally somewhere in your .muttrc, and then use L for reply-to-list... I do use

Re: mutt, key bindings and debian mailing lists

2003-11-11 Thread Pigeon
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 05:03:35PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: I do use mutt's built-in support for mailing lists. However, like many people it seems (especially on debian-user); I occasionally hit 'r' to reply to a list-post rather than L, and I don't have a copy of what I wrote to post

leafnode importing mailing lists

2003-11-09 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
Hello. If someone is interested in patch that allows leafnode to act as bidirectoral mailing lists - newsgroups gateway, please take a look at http://zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su/leafnode/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-11-01 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 11:04:25PM -0500, Emma Jane Hogbin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:17:52AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: My .muttrc highlights my own posts (bright cyan) in index view, and notes posts in response to or mentioning my name (easier for me than

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-11-01 Thread Karsten M. Self
at 02:03:05PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote: | [snip] | | Is CC'ing at epidemic levels on debian-user? | | I don't find it bad, since the debian- mailing lists are configured | well. It's rampant on the postgresql- lists, where Reply All and | Reply To List produce identical results

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-11-01 Thread Bob Proulx
acceptable. Just pointing out the possible pitfall. Instead I target specific lists with this problem and convert them in a procmail recipe. This is a correction to be applied before any other mailer gets to it. Here is an example from the aide list which munges reply-to. YMMV. # This list

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-11-01 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 11:19:33AM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: This has the unfortunate effect that reply-to is just completely useless. It was made useless when the original list munged it. But two wrongs do not make a right. Three do. :-) I thought that was two wrongs don't make a right,

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-31 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Bijan Soleymani ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031029 07:26]: On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 07:44:52PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:12:28PM -0500, David Gaudine wrote: With this mail program (the default Mac mail program, which I've not used much), when I click reply it's your

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-30 Thread Steve Lamb
David Gaudine wrote: I wouldn't use reply to all, I'd just CC the one person. But indeed, for those who have to choose between reply and Reply to all and don't want to adjust things manually, that problem is there. How would you do that, though? The most common example of CCing the person

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:03:05PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote: Monique Y. Herman said on Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 11:34:25AM -0700: I put a comment in my sig requesting that I not receive CCs, and I swear that the number of CCs I received actually increased! What can I do that will convince

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:57:26 -0800, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Roberto Sanchez wrote: You have a point. However, I usually make an exception in the case of newbies becuase they may not receive list messages (because of Yahoo! or Hotmail spam

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread moseley
lots of newbie posters, and people come and go often. I run a few small, stable lists (a hundred or so people each) and even there it's impossible to get people to follow the list rules. So the idea of trying to convince everyone why my ideas are best for everyone else, I just deal with in on my own

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Ron Jr
On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 07:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:14:15AM +, Colin Watson wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:03:05PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote: [snip] Is CC'ing at epidemic levels on debian-user? I don't find it bad, since the debian- mailing lists

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Colin Watson
-maint|ssh|l10n-english|www|project|glibc|bugs-rc|powerpc :0: * $^X-Mailing-List: debian-($DEBLISTS)@lists\\.debian\\.org * ^X-Mailing-List: debian-\/[EMAIL PROTECTED] debian/$MATCH (I'm not subscribed to quite all of those lists, but I do read most of them ...) Cheers, -- Colin Watson

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Bijan Soleymani
for the harmful camp. I've been to too many mailing lists with reply-tos, and what you get is a lot of mis-sent private messages, and then a lot of sorry, didn't mean that, flame-wars over comments that weren't meant for the list, and even hell, remove that comment from the list archive. All

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Bijan Soleymani
. The extra bandwidth consumed is very small. On the order of 10 extra emails over the hundreds I already get each day. Also for some lists (not debian-user yet) I use gmane where I read and write to the list through a news interface. In that case it's also nice to get copies of replies to my

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 07:44:52PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:12:28PM -0500, David Gaudine wrote: With this mail program (the default Mac mail program, which I've not used much), when I click reply it's your address that gets used. I manually changed it in my

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Kjetil Kjernsmo
On Wednesday 29 October 2003 16:18, Bijan Soleymani wrote: I like getting CCs. I receive hundreds of mailing list mail a day and might not be able to check up on all of them every day, but I make sure to check my main inbox, that way I can see if anybody replied to anything I said. Yup, the

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread ScruLoose
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:12:49AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 03:36:47PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: Upon reading this, I have to agree with you -- having a supposedly private message sent to the list could range from mildly annoying to outrageously

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Bijan Soleymani wrote: I hit the g key in mutt. It usually does do CCs. I'm told that there is a header that people can set to request no CCs. I think you mentionned something along those lines. I am pretty sure mutt respects that. I think most of the CCs you are receiving are from borken

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Bijan Soleymani wrote: I like getting CCs. I receive hundreds of mailing list mail a day and might not be able to check up on all of them every day, but I make sure to check my main inbox, that way I can see if anybody replied to anything I said. But how does this translate into being good to

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
-user? | | I don't find it bad, since the debian- mailing lists are configured | well. It's rampant on the postgresql- lists, where Reply All and | Reply To List produce identical results. In that situation, mutt's set ignore_list_reply_to = yes # fix broken mailing list software option

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Lou Losee
* Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-29 11:32]: Bijan Soleymani wrote: I hit the g key in mutt. It usually does do CCs. I'm told that there is a header that people can set to request no CCs. I think you mentionned something along those lines. I am pretty sure mutt respects that. I think

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: On Wednesday 29 October 2003 16:18, Bijan Soleymani wrote: I like getting CCs. I receive hundreds of mailing list mail a day and might not be able to check up on all of them every day, but I make sure to check my main inbox, that way I can see if anybody replied to anything

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Bijan Soleymani
for the list: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct says When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be copied. To use L I have to define the mailing lists I am subscribed to, this causes

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Richard Kimber
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:10:57 +0800 David Palmer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sylpheed has 'reply to all sender mailing list' option that works for me. But setting Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] as you seem to have done, prevents the

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 07:51:09AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Bijan Soleymani wrote: I like getting CCs. I receive hundreds of mailing list mail a day and might not be able to check up on all of them every day, but I make sure to check my main inbox, that way I can see if anybody replied to

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:36:06PM +, Richard Kimber wrote: | On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:10:57 +0800 David Palmer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Sylpheed has 'reply to all |sender |mailing list' | | option that works for me. | | | But

mutt list handling (was Re: netiquette: CCing on lists)

2003-10-29 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:00:25PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: | On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:38:45AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: | Shouldn't you be hitting the L key in mutt, for 'reply-to-list' instead | of g for 'reply-to-all'... Yes, he should. | To use L I have to define the mailing lists I

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:00:25PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: To use L I have to define the mailing lists I am subscribed to, this causes mutt to do weird things (I don't remember exactly what, but it might have shown debian-user as the sender

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Lou Losee
To use L I have to define the mailing lists I am subscribed to, this causes mutt to do weird things (I don't remember exactly what, but it might have shown debian-user as the sender of all messages from debian-user, instead of the actual senders). Not for me - the From: header is correct

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread David Gaudine
On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: Yup, the way I do this with KMail is to add a filter that checks if my domain is in the References-header and puts it in a special folder if it is. There's an idea. I'll try it. Although personally I'd still rather receive

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Marc Wilson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:00:25PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: To use L I have to define the mailing lists I am subscribed to, this causes mutt to do weird things (I don't remember exactly what, but it might have shown debian-user as the sender of all messages from debian-user, instead

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Colin Watson
: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct says When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be copied. To use L I have to define the mailing lists I am subscribed to, this causes mutt to do

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:26:11PM -0500, David Gaudine wrote: There's an idea. I'll try it. Although personally I'd still rather receive the message in my debian-user folder and a CC in my inbox. I suppose I can use a rule to duplicate the message if it's to debian-user with me as a

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Richard Kimber
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:37:25 -0500 Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If sylpheed can't handle that, then that is a bug and ought to be fixed. Well ... my track record on persuading them what is a bug is not good, and a common response is to be told to go and write the code myself,

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 at 18:26 GMT, David Gaudine penned: On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: There's an idea. I'll try it. Although personally I'd still rather receive the message in my debian-user folder and a CC in my inbox. I suppose I can use a rule to

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread David Palmer.
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:18:27 + Richard Kimber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:37:25 -0500 Derrick 'dman' Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If sylpheed can't handle that, then that is a bug and ought to be fixed. Well ... my track record on persuading them what is a

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Johann Koenig
On Wednesday October 29 at 12:36pm Richard Kimber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:10:57 +0800 David Palmer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sylpheed has 'reply to all sender mailing list' option that works for me.

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Karsten M. Self
sometimes gets overwhelmed and posts don't appear for over an hour, but CC's arrive almost instantaneously. Hrm. Talk to your local listaholics anonymous yet? You can accomplish this by setting the Reply-To header of your own posts. Though some lists will strip and/or rewrite this (considered

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread David Gaudine
Steve Lamb wrote: Also there are other problems with the CC approach. Take, for example, a conversation between 20 people on the same topic (much like this one) all whacking reply-to-all. Ok, fine, why have the mailing list software at all? By the time that 20th person hits reply-to-all

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Emma Jane Hogbin
On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:17:52AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: My .muttrc highlights my own posts (bright cyan) in index view, and notes posts in response to or mentioning my name (easier for me than some folk) (cyan). So my posts and any replies/references stand out. O, tell me how!

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 05:15:32PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: | Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: | File a bug report. | | Why? I don't see it as a bug. Richard said he does ... | Mutt handles this situation correctly, as follows : | list-reply replies only to the list (because

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:17:52AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: You can accomplish this by setting the Reply-To header of your own posts. Though some lists will strip and/or rewrite this (considered harmful, GIYF). For the people wanting

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Emma Jane Hogbin
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:59:06PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: Karsten M. Self wrote: My .muttrc highlights my own posts (bright cyan) in index view, and notes posts in response to or mentioning my name (easier for me than some folk) (cyan). So my posts and any

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Bob Proulx
Paul Johnson wrote: Karsten M. Self wrote: You can accomplish this by setting the Reply-To header of your own posts. Though some lists will strip and/or rewrite this (considered harmful, GIYF). For the people wanting to experiment, care to give a muttrc example? my_hdr Reply

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 11:09:56PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: my_hdr Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You should be able to do this in a hook too to turn this on and off in particular lists automatically. WARNING! Untested! folder-hook

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-29 Thread moseley
On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:17:52AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: My .muttrc highlights my own posts (bright cyan) in index view, and notes posts in response to or mentioning my name (easier for me than some folk) (cyan). So my posts and any replies/references stand out. Drifting off the

netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Monique Y. Herman
I'm going to attempt to make this a polite question, rather than a rant or flame ... For those of you who CC people when responding to the mailing list, why do you do this? Is there some benefit to doing so of which I'm unaware? I believe I have the Mail-Followup-To header set on my outgoing

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread David Gaudine
On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 01:34 PM, Monique Y. Herman wrote: I believe I have the Mail-Followup-To header set on my outgoing messages, which should be a clue for some readers. (I was told that gmane would translate Mail-Copies-To to Mail-Followup-To automagically.) With this mail

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 19:12 GMT, David Gaudine penned: On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 01:34 PM, Monique Y. Herman wrote: I believe I have the Mail-Followup-To header set on my outgoing messages, which should be a clue for some readers. (I was told that gmane would translate

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Richard Lyons
On Tuesday 28 October 2003 20:30, Monique Y. Herman wrote: [...] Hrm.. Does debian-user not set the reply-to to the list, or is this my [...] Apparently not. I wonder why not. It would surely be a good idea - for those using simpler mail clients. I use kmail and filter lists direct

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread Clive Menzies
clients. I use kmail and filter lists direct to their own folders, where I set the reply-to-list address to try to prevent myself making mistakes... À propos, I've been thinking of giving mutt a try: can it do that too? I don't think I could cope with the volume of mail without mutt ;) You set

Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

2003-10-28 Thread p
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 11:34:25AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: I'm going to attempt to make this a polite question, rather than a rant or flame ... For those of you who CC people when responding to the mailing list, why do you do this? Is there some benefit to doing so of which I'm

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