Re: Sddm and non US Keyboard

2016-06-01 Thread Curt
On 2016-06-01, Erwan David wrote: > Hi, > > I just installed a testing in a VM, with KDE. I have a french keyboard > wich works in console and once kde is started. However, sddm uses a > US keyboard mapping. Switching to theme Circle, I can see that it is > the only mapping proposed. What

Sddm and non US Keyboard

2016-06-01 Thread Erwan David
Hi, I just installed a testing in a VM, with KDE. I have a french keyboard wich works in console and once kde is started. However, sddm uses a US keyboard mapping. Switching to theme Circle, I can see that it is the only mapping proposed. What can the problem be, and how can I change/add

Re: Removing debian non-us from sources.list [was: debian non-us]

2008-11-23 Thread gianca
Chris Jones ha scritto: [...] > Get:1 http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release.gpg [189B] [...] > Get:2 http://mirror.pacific.net.au stable Release.gpg [386B] [...] > #deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ stable main I suggest you to substitute "stable" with "etch" in "sources.list" or yo

Re: Removing debian non-us from sources.list [was: debian non-us]

2008-11-22 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sat,22.Nov.08, 10:12:48, Chris Jones wrote: > So, it looks like I was still using the keyring from before etch went > stable (?) Yeap. Any idea why? > What's the purpose of 'apt-key update'? Hhmm, the manpage is not very verbose. Anyway, if debian-archive-keyring is up-to-date you shouldn

Re: Removing debian non-us from sources.list [was: debian non-us]

2008-11-22 Thread Chris Jones
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 09:42:23AM EST, Andrei Popescu wrote: [..] > You are missing this key: > > pub 1024D/ADB11277 2006-09-17 > uid Etch Stable Release Key <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Please post the output of 'dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring' before: -- ii debian-archiv

Re: Removing debian non-us from sources.list [was: debian non-us]

2008-11-22 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sat,22.Nov.08, 09:31:11, Chris Jones wrote: > W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: > B5D0C804ADB11277 > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems > > > I'm a unclear as to w

Removing debian non-us from sources.list [was: debian non-us]

2008-11-22 Thread Chris Jones
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 08:17:44AM EST, John Hasler wrote: > CJ writes: > > I have a feeling I just need to remove references to non-us mirrors in > > /etc/sources.list and run apt-get update but I don't want to hose my > > debian system either. > > Just remove th

Re: debian non-us

2008-11-22 Thread John Hasler
CJ writes: > I have a feeling I just need to remove references to non-us mirrors in > /etc/sources.list and run apt-get update but I don't want to hose my > debian system either. Just remove the references to non-us. The law changed years ago. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSC

Re: debian non-us

2008-11-22 Thread Chris Jones
explain what I > > > should do to fix this. > > > > yes, it was in the release notes for sarge: > > http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-non-us Looks good to me .. Since they don't mentions anything else apart from r

Re: debian non-us

2008-11-22 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sat,22.Nov.08, 08:00:14, Chris Jones wrote: > Installed etch about 2 years ago .. and I'm pretty sure my sources.list > is the one that was generated when I did the install. > > That's why I posted. Nope, non-us was deprecated for sarge. > Couldn't f

Re: debian non-us

2008-11-22 Thread Salvatore Bonaccorso
g/releases/oldstable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-non-us > > Since sarge, non-us is obsoleted, and packages which previously were > there, moved into regular archive. So you doesn't need non-US anymore. > > Kind regards > Salvatore Kind regards Salvatore -- To

Re: debian non-us

2008-11-22 Thread Chris Jones
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 07:53:18AM EST, Micha wrote: > It doesn't exist anymore for new releases for quite some time now. unless you > installed a very long time ago things from non-us that were deprecated since > then you can safely remove it (and I double that there are

Re: debian non-us

2008-11-22 Thread Micha
It doesn't exist anymore for new releases for quite some time now. unless you installed a very long time ago things from non-us that were deprecated since then you can safely remove it (and I double that there are such packages, certainly nothing important) On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:41:33

debian non-us

2008-11-22 Thread Chris Jones
his and explain what I should do to fix this. I have a feeling I just need to remove references to non-us mirrors in /etc/sources.list and run apt-get update but I don't want to hose my debian system either. Thanks! CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of &q

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-06 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Glen Pfeiffer wrote: > Joe Hart wrote: >> Jochen Schulz wrote: >>> Correct. And on the EU level they are even discussing to make >>> a similar law obligatory for all member states. >> The EU is not a body (yet) that can enforce laws. Therefore, >> the

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-06 Thread Glen Pfeiffer
Joe Hart wrote: > Jochen Schulz wrote: >> Correct. And on the EU level they are even discussing to make >> a similar law obligatory for all member states. > > The EU is not a body (yet) that can enforce laws. Therefore, > they cannot mandate laws. Correct me if I am wrong, please, but I believe J

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-06 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jochen Schulz wrote: > Dave Ewart: >> On Tuesday, 06.03.2007 at 10:48 -0600, John Hasler wrote: >> >>> It it my understanding (which may be obsolete or even simply >>> erroneous) that in Germany computer games are not to be made available >>> to childr

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-06 Thread Jochen Schulz
Dave Ewart: > On Tuesday, 06.03.2007 at 10:48 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > >> It it my understanding (which may be obsolete or even simply >> erroneous) that in Germany computer games are not to be made available >> to children unless they have been approved and that the approval costs >> money. T

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-06 Thread Dave Ewart
On Tuesday, 06.03.2007 at 10:48 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > _Similar_ reasons. Germany, for example, has a licensing law for > > games (unless it has been repealed recently). > > Johannes writes: > > Germany has a licensing law for free software games? > > It it my understanding (which may be

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-06 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > _Similar_ reasons. Germany, for example, has a licensing law for games > (unless it has been repealed recently). Johannes writes: > Germany has a licensing law for free software games? It it my understanding (which may be obsolete or even simply erroneous) that in Germany computer gam

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-06 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
John Hasler wrote: >> (Aside: ``non-DE''? I thought the EU has so far staved off the >> software-patent idiocy.) > > _Similar_ reasons. Germany, for example, has a licensing law for games > (unless it has been repealed recently). Germany has a licensing law for free software games? I never thou

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > Then for similar reasons we'll need non-JP, non-DE, non-AU... Max Hyre writes: > Good point. Let me amend that to suggest the [non-patent] distribution. > (Aside: ``non-DE''? I thought the EU has so far staved off the > software-patent idiocy.) _Similar_ reasons. Germany, for examp

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread Max Hyre
John Hasler wrote: > Max Hyre writes: >> Given the status of software patents, though, it might be time to revive >> [non-US]. > > Then for similar reasons we'll need non-JP, non-DE, non-AU... Good point. Let me amend that to suggest the [non-patent] distribution.

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread Ron Johnson
roval of; deplore". >> >> In computer terminology, deprecated features are those which *still >> exist* but that the "vendor" do not want you to use anymore. > > Effectively, non-US hasn't been updat

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread Greg Folkert
rding to "dict deprecate", the roots of deprecate (de- + > precari) mean "to avert by prayer". The WordNet definition is > "express strong disapproval of; deplore". > > In computer terminology, deprecated features are those which *still > exist* but that the

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread Ron Johnson
ing changed recently? Where is debian-non-US? >>> Due to changes in US law it was eliminated some time ago. >> Yet another exaple of enforcing US law to the rest of the world! >> > What are you talking about? The law was a US law dealing with US > citizens or residents

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread John Hasler
Andras Lorincz writes: > Has something changed recently? Where is debian-non-US? I wrote: > Due to changes in US law it was eliminated some time ago. idsvp-helga writes: > Yet another exaple of enforcing US law to the rest of the world! ROFL. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 10:24:31PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 01:28:15PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > > > Andras Lorincz writes: > > > Has something changed recently? Where is debian-non-US? > > > > Due to changes in US

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread idsvp-helga
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 01:28:15PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > Andras Lorincz writes: > > Has something changed recently? Where is debian-non-US? > > Due to changes in US law it was eliminated some time ago. Yet another exaple of enforcing US law to the rest of the world!

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 03:55:56PM -0500, Max Hyre wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > > > Due to changes in US law it was eliminated some time ago. > >The changes removed restrictions preventing citizens of the land of > the free from sending strong crypto out of the country. > Actually, the spec

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread John Hasler
Max Hyre writes: > Given the status of software patents, though, it might be time to revive > [non-US]. Then for similar reasons we'll need non-JP, non-DE, non-AU... -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tr

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread Max Hyre
John Hasler wrote: > Due to changes in US law it was eliminated some time ago. The changes removed restrictions preventing citizens of the land of the free from sending strong crypto out of the country. Given the status of software patents, though, it might be time to revive it. --

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/03/07 13:47, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 14:39 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 02:36:14PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: >>> It has been deprecated since Woody became oldstable, or exactly the same >>> time

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/03/07 13:28, John Hasler wrote: > Andras Lorincz writes: >> Has something changed recently? Where is debian-non-US? > > Due to changes in US law it was eliminated some time ago. Specifically, liberalizations made i

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 14:39 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 02:36:14PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > > It has been deprecated since Woody became oldstable, or exactly the same > > time Sarge became stable. > > > I don't think it was deprecated. I think it just went

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread John Hasler
Andras Lorincz writes: > Has something changed recently? Where is debian-non-US? Due to changes in US law it was eliminated some time ago. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 02:36:14PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > > It has been deprecated since Woody became oldstable, or exactly the same > time Sarge became stable. > I don't think it was deprecated. I think it just went away. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.

Re: Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 21:02 +0200, Andras Lorincz wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using testing and since a few days I get errors like > > /debian-non-US/dists/testing/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No > such file or directory. > > Has something changed recently? Where i

Where is debian-non-US

2007-03-03 Thread Andras Lorincz
Hi, I'm using testing and since a few days I get errors like /debian-non-US/dists/testing/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No such file or directory. Has something changed recently? Where is debian-non-US? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "u

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread Carl Fink
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 02:47:28PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > Really? I heard him interviewed on the radio within the last > week. Do you know the outcome? The Navy Lieutenant declared victory, even though the Navy didn't change its policy. http://washingtontimes.com/metro/20060107-110

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 16:31 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Ron Johnson writes: > > Why is it that thugs can extort protection money from small business > > owners? Because to those businessmen, the pain of losing that business > > which his life is poured into, and which supports his family is greate

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson writes: > Why is it that thugs can extort protection money from small business > owners? Because to those businessmen, the pain of losing that business > which his life is poured into, and which supports his family is greater > than giving away some money. Exactly. And so they choose

Re: OT --was Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread Richard Lyons
On Thursday, 12 January 2006 at 13:01:05 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 11:10 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > richard writes: > > > Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make > > > more difference. > > > > Armies and police forces consist of individuals

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 14:33 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Ron Johnson writes: > > I don't know how it works in the post-modern EU, but in the rest of the > > world, if you choose not to obey orders from the leaders you have sworn > > to obey... > > _Chosen_ to swear to obey. > > > ...the coercive p

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson writes: > I don't know how it works in the post-modern EU, but in the rest of the > world, if you choose not to obey orders from the leaders you have sworn > to obey... _Chosen_ to swear to obey. > ...the coercive power of the state lands full square on your shoulders. The individual

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread Mike McCarty
Carl Fink wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: Well, since we are in FULL TOPIC DRIFT MODE, there is a Navy chaplain who is on hunger strike here in the USA because he has been ordered not to pray in public in uniform "in the name of Jesus Christ". He claims tha

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread Carl Fink
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > Well, since we are in FULL TOPIC DRIFT MODE, there is a Navy > chaplain who is on hunger strike here in the USA because he > has been ordered not to pray in public in uniform "in the name > of Jesus Christ". He claims that this is not

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread Mike McCarty
Ron Johnson wrote: On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 11:10 -0600, John Hasler wrote: richard writes: Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make more difference. Armies and police forces consist of individuals who individually choose to take individual actions. I don't kno

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread Juergen Fiedler
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 10:40:19AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > Mike McCarty wrote: > > John Hasler wrote: > >> richard writes: > >>> Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make > >>> more difference. > >> Armies and police forces consist of individuals who individually > >

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 11:10 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > richard writes: > > Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make > > more difference. > > Armies and police forces consist of individuals who individually choose to > take individual actions. I don't know how it wor

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread Steve Lamb
Mike McCarty wrote: > John Hasler wrote: >> richard writes: >>> Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make >>> more difference. >> Armies and police forces consist of individuals who individually >> choose to >> take individual actions. > Thank you. Precisely my point.

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread Mike McCarty
John Hasler wrote: richard writes: Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make more difference. Armies and police forces consist of individuals who individually choose to take individual actions. Thank you. Precisely my point. Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread John Hasler
richard writes: > Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make > more difference. Armies and police forces consist of individuals who individually choose to take individual actions. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsub

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-12 Thread Richard Lyons
On Thursday, 12 January 2006 at 0:27:12 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > >On Thursday 12 January 2006 00:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > [snip] > > >Touche', I had indeed momentarily forgotten that. I had also at the > >time spoken rather pointedly to my senators and rep

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 22:28 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > Marty wrote: > > John Hasler wrote: > > > >> I wrote: > >> > >>> A work that infringes a patent that is likely to be enforced against us > >>> cannot be distributed at all. > >> > >> > >> Marty writes: > >> [snip] > > > > If their laws have

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Mike McCarty
Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 12 January 2006 00:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Touche', I had indeed momentarily forgotten that. I had also at the time spoken rather pointedly to my senators and representatives about the absurdity of it, and that it should be stepped on at the earl

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 12 January 2006 00:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Also, bear in mind that at one point, panama was our territory, but >> I'm not sure if Noriega actually did some of his drug related stuff >> while it was still our territory. > >No. Panama has been an independent nation since it seced

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Mike McCarty
Mike McCarty wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: [snip] Also, bear in mind that at one point, panama was our territory, but I'm Nope. Never was. It was a part of Venezuela, and we helped it get I can't believe I wrote that. It was *Colombia*, of course. Mike -- p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,3

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Mike McCarty
Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 11 January 2006 23:31, Mike McCarty wrote: loos wrote: [snip] Debian is international, but like any other person juridic or physic it can be sued for infringe a law in the country where it infringes this law. Or even in other countries. Noriega was arreste

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread cmetzler
> Also, bear in mind that at one point, panama was our territory, but I'm > not sure if Noriega actually did some of his drug related stuff while > it was still our territory. No. Panama has been an independent nation since it seceded from Colombia in 1903. Perhaps you're referring to the Ca

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Gene Heskett
an action as to remove vfat support from our OS. The camera makers will of course drag this out till the friggin patent expires if they can. So I'd suspect we'll have plenty of advance notice. >> For example : the US had a law against exporting cryptography from >> the US,

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Mike McCarty
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:09:07 -0600 Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Likewise, the "clean room" argument made above by Andrew is inapplicable to a patent. What is covered by the patents I read would (IMO) preclude anyone from creating LFN entries in a FAT sty

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Mike McCarty
, which he violated in Panama. He was then transported from Panama by US forces, and tried on US soil, and put into a US jail. For example : the US had a law against exporting cryptography from the US, there fore we needed non-US based servers for those products. [snip] I think my example is

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Mike McCarty
Marty wrote: John Hasler wrote: I wrote: A work that infringes a patent that is likely to be enforced against us cannot be distributed at all. Marty writes: That sounds like a pretty subjective standard. Yes. Who decides what's "likely?" Who is "us"? Debian. Does "us" include

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Wednesday 11 January 2006 09:55 pm, Joey Hess wrote: > Jason Michaelson wrote: > > One thing that i find interesting about this is that if, indeed, the > > patents only apply to using multiple directory entries on an "8.3" file > > system to simulate long names (as appears to be the case), digit

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Joey Hess
Jason Michaelson wrote: > One thing that i find interesting about this is that if, indeed, the > patents only apply to using multiple directory entries on an "8.3" file > system to simulate long names (as appears to be the case), digital cameras > don't fall under the patent. Personally, if som

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 03:26 +0100, Tokar wrote: > Hal Vaughan a écrit : > > >But Zero-point energy works. > > > >I know it does. > > > >I saw Colonel Carter working with a zero-point module on Stargate SG1. > > > >Hal > > > > > I saw her too, it's a huge power source. You can even create a vorte

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Tokar
Hal Vaughan a écrit : But Zero-point energy works. I know it does. I saw Colonel Carter working with a zero-point module on Stargate SG1. Hal I saw her too, it's a huge power source. You can even create a vortex to another galaxy. Vincent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Marty
ake precedence in setting Debian policy. I always thought of it as international, possibly European. Me too, which is why the non-US designation always seemed like such an anomaly. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Wednesday 11 January 2006 08:30 pm, loos wrote: > Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 17:16 -0500, Michael Marsh escreveu: > > On 1/11/06, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But you definitely have to come up with some soft of working > > > implementation, be it hard- or software, I agree. > > > >

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread loos
Em Qua, 2006-01-11 às 17:16 -0500, Michael Marsh escreveu: > On 1/11/06, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But you definitely have to come up with some soft of working > > implementation, be it hard- or software, I agree. > > Actually, that requirement was dropped awhile ago. You only

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread loos
ight be US-based? I always thought of > it as international, possibly European. Debian is international, but like any other person juridic or physic it can be sued for infringe a law in the country where it infringes this law. For example : the US had a law against exporting cryptography from the

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread hendrik
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 07:27:54PM -0500, Marty wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > >Marty writes: > >>That sounds like a pretty subjective standard. > > > >Yes. > > > >>Who decides what's "likely?" Who is "us"? > > > >Debian. > > > >>Does "us" include billions of Chinese and Indians? > > > >US patents

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Marty
John Hasler wrote: I wrote: A work that infringes a patent that is likely to be enforced against us cannot be distributed at all. Marty writes: That sounds like a pretty subjective standard. Yes. Who decides what's "likely?" Who is "us"? Debian. Does "us" include billions of Chinese

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Marty
he countries which impose them should be designated "non-free" instead. I don't understand what you mean by "...the countries which impose them should be designated non-free..." I mean that something is clearly non-free, and it's not always the software license. The iss

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Matthew J. Harmon
http://www.uspto.gov/main/faq/g120005.htm http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general/index.html Patents protect inventions, and improvements to existing inventions. [0] "any new and useful process, machine, manufacture..." Copyrights protect literary, artistic, and musical works. [0] http

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Michael Marsh
On 1/11/06, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But you definitely have to come up with some soft of working > implementation, be it hard- or software, I agree. Actually, that requirement was dropped awhile ago. You only have to roughly describe an implementation. There are actually a lot

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Jochen Schulz
Mike McCarty: > > > >No, you are confusing the patent system with copyright. A patent covers > >*an idea*, not an implementation. -- snip > Ideas are not patentable (in the USA). You are probably right, I must have confused this. Although I find the distinction not to be easy, at least when softwa

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread John Hasler
quot; include billions of Chinese and Indians? US patents have nothing to do with them. They have their own laws and will have to make their own decisions. > Furthermore, does this policy include patents from countries which admit > that they have a broken patent system?* What's that

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Jason Michaelson
One thing that i find interesting about this is that if, indeed, the patents only apply to using multiple directory entries on an "8.3" file system to simulate long names (as appears to be the case), digital cameras don't fall under the patent. the dcf specifcation (http://www.exif.org/dcf.PDF)

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:09:07 -0600 Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jochen Schulz wrote: > > Andrew Sackville-West: > > > > [snip] > > > > >>If it applies to drivers, I think that linux FAT system is a > >>clean-room creation and would probably be okay. > > > > > > No, you are confu

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Mike McCarty
Jochen Schulz wrote: Andrew Sackville-West: [snip] If it applies to drivers, I think that linux FAT system is a clean-room creation and would probably be okay. No, you are confusing the patent system with copyright. A patent covers *an idea*, not an implementation. IANAL, but I did ta

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Jochen Schulz
Andrew Sackville-West: > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > No. The kernel probably infringes dozens, perhaps hundreds of > > patents. Debian's policy is to ignore patents in the absence of > > evidence that the owner is likely to enforce them on us. > > Unfortunately, my understand

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:55:52 -0600 John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sure the anit-monopoly guys will have something to say about this. > > A patent is a legal monopoly enforced by the courts. The issue raised on /., that purveror of all great knowledge and wisdom, was that a mono

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:01:54 -0500 Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Also, archive your debian box, then reformat and run windows > until this issue is settled. > I've been looking for an excuse to do just that. Windows is clearly a superior operating system. And now that "all out FAT belong to

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Mike McCarty
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:41:57 -0600 Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Which Patent? What is the date? Stolen from Cnet talkback posting: Thanks for the reply. According to http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/tech/fat.asp they are talking about 3 Patents

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread John Hasler
Andrew Sackville-West writes: > ...my understanding is that M$ intends to enforce this patent. They intend to enforce it against manufacturers of NVRAM storage devices: there's money there. > ...its not clear to me whether the patent applies to drivers or to the > act of writing a FAT system. It

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Marty
is clearly non-free, and it's not always the software license. The issue is what is the best way make this distinction? For example, instead of a non-US repository, you could have a US repository excluding all free software which is designated as illegal in the US, or otherwise

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Marty
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: Unfortunately, my understanding is that M$ intends to enforce this patent. and its not clear to me whether the patent applies to drivers or to the act of writing a FAT system. If it applies to drivers, I think that linux FAT system is a clean-room creation and wou

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:41:57 -0600 Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:29:10 -0600 > > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>hendrik writes: > >> > >>>Apparently there is now a patent on the FAT file system within the US,

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Mike McCarty
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:29:10 -0600 John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hendrik writes: Apparently there is now a patent on the FAT file system within the US, anyway. Do we have to rip it out of the kernel? No (that patent is not new). They can pry my FAT

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
cut-off linux. Don't upgrade you're kernel until its settled... A > > > Is it time to revive the non-US repository so that at least the rest or > > the world can still transfer files between Linux and Windows? > > Don't forget non-DE as well. > -- > Jo

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread John Hasler
e countries which > impose them should be designated "non-free" instead. I don't understand what you mean by "...the countries which impose them should be designated non-free..." > This raises another point which is unclear to me -- how much of the > current "non-fr

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > Don't forget non-DE as well. Theo writes: > Is there something specific about Germany ? Games. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread Marty
main? Is it time to revive the non-US repository so that at least the rest or the world can still transfer files between Linux and Windows? Don't forget non-DE as well. I never understood the reasoning for this approach. This divides free software according to local ordinances. I

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread theo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi John Hasler wrote: > Don't forget non-DE as well. Why de ? AFAIK European Parliament rejected the proposed software patent directive on 6 July 2005. Is there something specific about Germany ? cheers, theo. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version:

Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread John Hasler
rhaps hundreds of patents. Debian's policy is to ignore patents in the absence of evidence that the owner is likely to enforce them on us. > Is it time to revive the non-US repository so that at least the rest or > the world can still transfer files between Linux and Windows? Do

FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

2006-01-11 Thread hendrik
See http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/06/01/11/0555252.shtml Apparently there is now a patent on the FAT file system within the US, anyway. Do we have to rip it out of the kernel? Do we have to stop distributing the kernel until we've done so? Is it time to revive the non-US repository so th

Re: Where did the unstable branch of the debian archives (ftp.fr.debian.org/debian-non-US/) go?

2005-06-13 Thread Ibrahim Mubarak
--- Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 04:38 -0700, Ibrahim Mubarak wrote: > --snip-- > > For a few days now, I noticed that the non-US packages on the > mirrors I > > use for apt/aptitude/synaptic are unreachable. I use > > ftp:/

Re: Where did the unstable branch of the debian archives (ftp.fr.debian.org/debian-non-US/) go?

2005-06-13 Thread Frank Gevaerts
On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 04:38:17AM -0700, Ibrahim Mubarak wrote: > Hi all, > > I am not sure I am posting in the right place, so please let me know if > it is so. Thanks. > > For a few days now, I noticed that the non-US packages on the mirrors I > use for apt/aptitude/syn

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