On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 02:37:28PM +0200, Geoff Thurman wrote:
> It also seems that the apple in the garden of Eden might 'in fact' have
> been a pomegranate, in which case it does go back rather a long way.
It puzzles me where these theories come from. The Bible doesn't say
it's an apple or any
On Tuesday 02 September 2003 11:02 am, cr wrote:
> On Monday 01 September 2003 23:13, Geoff Thurman wrote:
> > Apologies for picking up a dropped thread, particularly when it has
> > little (read nothing) to do with Debian, but a couple of things
> > have been gnawing away at my mind. I have snippe
On Monday 01 September 2003 23:13, Geoff Thurman wrote:
> Apologies for picking up a dropped thread, particularly when it has
> little (read nothing) to do with Debian, but a couple of things have
> been gnawing away at my mind. I have snipped from various branches of
> the thread:
>
On 2003-08-
On Monday 01 September 2003 1:13 pm, Geoff Thurman wrote:
> Apologies for picking up a dropped thread, particularly when it has
> little (read nothing) to do with Debian, but a couple of things have
> been gnawing away at my mind. I have snipped from various branches of
> the thread:
>
> On Tuesday
Apologies for picking up a dropped thread, particularly when it has
little (read nothing) to do with Debian, but a couple of things have
been gnawing away at my mind. I have snipped from various branches of
the thread:
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 01:40, Chris Metzler wrote:
> Um. . ."whinging" i
El jueves, 21 de agosto de 2003, a las 13:52, Bijan Soleymani escribe:
> There's an excellent movie that's called death of a bureaucrat.
Funny enough, my brother once wrote a nice snippet called "death
during the rehearsal of death of a bueraucrat" which reminds me again
of recursive stuff!
Regar
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On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:52:05PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> This is further offtopic. There's an excellent movie that's called death
> of a bureaucrat. I believe the film is Cuban but I could be wrong
> (the movie is set in Cuba). It's one of th
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On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:21:50AM +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote:
> El mi?rcoles, 20 de agosto de 2003, a las 18:32, Greg Folkert escribe:
> > But you have
El jueves, 21 de agosto de 2003, a las 02:36, Paul Johnson escribe:
> I'm not sure anything's off topic as long as you're using or plan to
> use Debian.
Well, indeed we agree. I have been writing to and even moderating
mailing lists for a long time, and never considered anything off topic
as long
On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 05:21, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote:
> El miércoles, 20 de agosto de 2003, a las 18:32, Greg Folkert escribe:
> > But you have to go to the "Department of Redundancy Department" Window
> > to get the Reprint first.
>
> This reminds me of that gag in one of Marx Bros' films,
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On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:21:50AM +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote:
> (I know this is off-topic, but RMS also is!)
Howso? According to lists.debian.org, the topic is users of Debian.
I'm not sure anything's off topic as long as you're using or
El miércoles, 20 de agosto de 2003, a las 18:32, Greg Folkert escribe:
> But you have to go to the "Department of Redundancy Department" Window
> to get the Reprint first.
This reminds me of that gag in one of Marx Bros' films, that contract
whose first clause was referring to the first clause its
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 08:43:18PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
> So it's `GNU/LinEx GNU/Linux' instead of `Debian GNU/Linux'.
Wouldn't it be GNU/LinEx GNU/LiGNUx?
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On Sun 17 Aug 2003 20:19:37 +(-0400), J.F.Gratton wrote:
>
> A zealot is a zealot is a zealot. He might have been usefull, but past a
> certain point, constant whining just becomes background
> noise.
The correct spelling is "useful". :-)
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On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 15:20, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote:
> El miércoles, 20 de agosto de 2003, a las 10:46, John Hasler escribe:
> > "In order to understand recursion you must first understand recursion."
>
> This recursive stuff kills me. Maybe I did not allocate enough stack.
But you have to
El miércoles, 20 de agosto de 2003, a las 10:46, John Hasler escribe:
> "In order to understand recursion you must first understand recursion."
This recursive stuff kills me. Maybe I did not allocate enough stack.
Regards, Ismael
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On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 08:05:14AM -0500, Rthoreau wrote:
> What gets me is what does the G stand for in GNU?
>
> I get the rest of the saying GNU is Not Unix, but it still does not
> come up with what the G stands for. At least AFAIK no one has ever
> come up with a good reason for the G other
On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 08:05, Rthoreau wrote:
> What gets me is what does the G stand for in GNU?
>
> I get the rest of the saying GNU is Not Unix, but it still does not
> come up with what the G stands for. At least AFAIK no one has ever
> come up with a good reason for the G other than GNU. M
On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 08:05:14AM -0500, Rthoreau wrote:
> What gets me is what does the G stand for in GNU?
>
> I get the rest of the saying GNU is Not Unix, but it still does not
> come up with what the G stands for. At least AFAIK no one has ever
> come up with a good reason for the G other
On (20/08/03 08:05), Rthoreau wrote:
> From: Rthoreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Debian Mail list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: rms on debian
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:05:14 -0500
>
> What gets me is what does the G stand for in GNU?
Hehe It stands for G
%% Rthoreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
r> What gets me is what does the G stand for in GNU?
It stands for GNU.
GNU is a "recursive acronym".
GNU expands to "GNU is Not Unix". Then you say, well, what does the
"GNU" in "GNU is Not Unix" stand for? It stands for "GNU is Not Unix".
So then yo
Rthoreau writes:
> What gets me is what does the G stand for in GNU?
GNU.
> How can I understand RMS when I don't even understand GNU?
"In order to understand recursion you must first understand recursion."
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On Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 08:05:14AM -0500, Rthoreau wrote:
> What gets me is what does the G stand for in GNU?
GNU[1] is a recursive acronym[2].
So long
Thomas
1. http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/G/GNU.html
2. http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/R/recursive-acronym.html
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Check RMS speeches on
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html#Speeches
The Free Software Movement ones have all that explanation. Basically it
goes: hackers only find acronyms fun when they have at least 2 meanings.
GNU joins that (the animal gnu and, phonetically, new) with recursion:
GNU
What gets me is what does the G stand for in GNU?
I get the rest of the saying GNU is Not Unix, but it still does not
come up with what the G stands for. At least AFAIK no one has ever
come up with a good reason for the G other than GNU. Maybe someone
can explain it to me who know these thing
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 22:24, Richard Hector wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 06:21:58PM +1200, cr wrote:
> > On Tuesday 19 August 2003 01:40, Chris Metzler wrote:
> > > The word "whinge," meaning "to moan fretfully," actually predates
> > > the word "whine."
> >
> > Hmm, I rarely heard it used
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 21:08, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 04:50, Dave Howorth wrote:
> > cr wrote:
> > >>Hmm, I rarely heard it used in England (though I haven't lived there
> > >> for 30+ years), but I've heard it used all the time here in New
> > >> Zealand, I thought it was a Ki
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 08:43:18PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
>
>
> So it's `GNU/LinEx GNU/Linux' instead of `Debian GNU/Linux'.
>
Why would you repeat GNU?
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* Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-08-20 09:18]:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 01:19:42AM +1000, Tom Massey wrote:
> > * Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-08-17 15:06]:
> > > RMS: When I recommend a GNU/Linux distribution, I choose based on
> > > ethical considerations. Today I would recommend
Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 01:19:42AM +1000, Tom Massey wrote:
> > * Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-08-17 15:06]:
> > > RMS: When I recommend a GNU/Linux distribution, I choose based on
> > > ethical considerations. Today I would recommend GNU/LinEx,
> >
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 02:15:04PM -0700, Wendell Cochran wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 11:26:07AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> >> I've only got a small OED here, but:
> >> whinge /windz/ v. & n. colloq. -- v.intr. whine; grumble peevishly. --
> >> n. a whining complaint; a peevish grumbling.
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 01:19:42AM +1000, Tom Massey wrote:
> * Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-08-17 15:06]:
> > RMS: When I recommend a GNU/Linux distribution, I choose based on
> > ethical considerations. Today I would recommend GNU/LinEx,
>
> Hmm. I respect Mr Stallman's ethical position
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 11:26:07AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
[SNIP]
>> I've only got a small OED here, but:
>> whinge /windz/ v. & n. colloq. -- v.intr. whine; grumble peevishly. --
>> n. a whining complaint; a peevish grumbling. ** whinger n. whingingly
>> adv. whingy adj. [OE hwinsian f. Gmc
Kevin McKinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:03:02 +
> "Jeff Gratton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > said that RMS is indeed a loser), I'm just saying that RMS shouldn't be
> > taken at face value anymore, that is all :)
>
> I respectfully disagree -- RMS is one of t
David Fokkema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 03:19:24PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
>
> > I wish RMS was as concerned about free documentation as he is about free
> > software.
>
> Could you elaborate a bit on that? What's the problem with the GNU
> _Free_ Documentation
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 11:26:07AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 09:31:39AM +0100, Mark wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 06:21:58PM +1200, cr wrote:
> > > Hmm, I rarely heard it used in England (though I haven't lived there
> > > for 30+ years), but I've heard it used all t
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:21:58 +1200
cr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hmm, I rarely heard it used in England (though I haven't lived there for
> 30+ years), but I've heard it used all the time here in New Zealand, I
> thought it was a Kiwi-ism.
It may be a kiwi-ism; no idea. But all my Engli
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 09:31:39AM +0100, Mark wrote:
| On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 06:21:58PM +1200, cr wrote:
| >
| > Hmm, I rarely heard it used in England (though I haven't lived
| > there for 30+ years), but I've heard it used all the time here in
| > New Zealand, I thought it was a Kiwi-ism.
Concise Oxford Dictionary gives whinge as (dialect or Australian) and
tracks it back through Old English and Old High German to a probable
root in the Germanic hwinisojan.
Geoff
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 10:50 am, Dave Howorth wrote:
> cr wrote:
> >>Hmm, I rarely heard it used in England (thoug
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 09:31:39AM +0100, Mark wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 06:21:58PM +1200, cr wrote:
> > Hmm, I rarely heard it used in England (though I haven't lived there
> > for 30+ years), but I've heard it used all the time here in New
> > Zealand, I thought it was a Kiwi-ism.
>
>
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 06:21:58PM +1200, cr wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 August 2003 01:40, Chris Metzler wrote:
> >
> > The word "whinge," meaning "to moan fretfully," actually predates
> > the word "whine."
>
> Hmm, I rarely heard it used in England (though I haven't lived there for 30+
> years), bu
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 04:50, Dave Howorth wrote:
> cr wrote:
> >>Hmm, I rarely heard it used in England (though I haven't lived there for 30+
> >>years), but I've heard it used all the time here in New Zealand, I thought it
> >>was a Kiwi-ism.
>
> Mark wrote:
> > Whinge has been in common usa
cr wrote:
Hmm, I rarely heard it used in England (though I haven't lived there for 30+
years), but I've heard it used all the time here in New Zealand, I thought it
was a Kiwi-ism.
Mark wrote:
Whinge has been in common usage for as long as I can recall here (UK).
Probably the thing to do is fo
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 06:21:58PM +1200, cr wrote:
>
> Hmm, I rarely heard it used in England (though I haven't lived there for 30+
> years), but I've heard it used all the time here in New Zealand, I thought it
> was a Kiwi-ism.
>
Whinge has been in common usage for as long as I can recal
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 01:40, Chris Metzler wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:12:01 -0500
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Rob VanFleet) wrote:
> > Congratulations, you just joined the 10% of the net (not faulting those
> > who aren't native english speakers) that actually *does* spell "whining"
> > right
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 12:38:57AM +0200, Diego Calleja García wrote:
> El 18 Aug 2003 10:12:13 +0800 Isaac To <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
>
> we're not a 100% GPL distro
> but well
That is _exactly_ his point!
David
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What a fun thread! :)
Over 70 posts in a couple of days.
I learned about spelling (whinging, whining, loser), grammar (right,
correct) and debian policies for contrib and non-free. What links may or
may not be on gnu.org, some thought out and some quick responses on what
Debian is and what it
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 07:01:07PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> David Fokkema wrote:
> > What about freedoom.sourceforge.net?
>
> Promising but incomplete. With the 0.1 release it may actually be to the
> point where it's playable. If someone packaged it doom might be able to
> move out of contrib.
Ethics. how many of us have ethics? It's funny how people are so into
killing our idols when they "betray us".
interesting thread.
happy birthday debian.
I am free.
>>He clearly states his principles, and as far as I know he lives by
them.
That's better than most people can say (including me)
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 10:40, ben wrote:
Rob VanFleet wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 08:19:37PM -0400, J.F.Gratton wrote:
On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 22:07, ben wrote:
be fair. if it wasn't for rms, there might very well not be a linux,
much less a debian.
A zealot is a zealot i
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 04:55:36PM +1000, Darryl Barlow wrote:
> Obvously we all owe a lot to RMS, but this does not of course mean that we
> must agree with him. He is an idealist, and his solution to the problems
> raised by "non-free" software are in my view at one extreme of the spectrum.
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:41:30 +0100
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
>
> The disturbing thing, as one of my friends commented recently, is: while
> it seems ridiculous on the surface, every time I look at it (once a year
> or so) it seems
Colin Watson wrote:
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 07:12:01AM -0500, Rob VanFleet wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 08:19:37PM -0400, J.F.Gratton wrote:
A zealot is a zealot is a zealot. He might have been usefull, but
past a certain point, constant whining
Congratulations, you just joined the 10% of th
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:03:02 +
"Jeff Gratton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> said that RMS is indeed a loser), I'm just saying that RMS shouldn't be
> taken at face value anymore, that is all :)
I respectfully disagree -- RMS is one of the few people I'm aware of who
*should* be taken at face
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 12:38:57AM +0200, Diego Calleja Garc?a wrote:
> I don't care about what RMS thinks/uses. But not trying to "ignore" it just
> because it has non-free software is.silly?
He's not ignoring it, he's disapproving of it. To RMS it's a moral issue,
and by distributing non-
David Fokkema wrote:
> What about freedoom.sourceforge.net?
Promising but incomplete. With the 0.1 release it may actually be to the
point where it's playable. If someone packaged it doom might be able to
move out of contrib.
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El 18 Aug 2003 10:12:13 +0800 Isaac To <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
> Different people have different opinions, and the fact that www.gnu.org
> decided not to have a link to Debian means that the crews in www.gnu.org
> agreed to RMS about not having Debian listed is a good idea, even though GNU
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 06:07:45PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 12:48:08PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 05:02:12PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
>
> [Your attributions are broken; I've reinserted the missing one.]
>
> > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 1
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 01:04:12PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > I mentionned Dosemu, which is in contrib. Does dosemu depend on non-free
> > software? You can use it to run free dos programs. There are many free
> > dos programs.
>
> dosemu is in contrib because it depends
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 01:04:00PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 05:30:57PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 11:18:50AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> > > The requirement for putting stuff in contrib is that it depends on
> > > non-free software.
> >
>
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 12:48:08PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 05:02:12PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
[Your attributions are broken; I've reinserted the missing one.]
> > On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 11:38:09AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > > This applies to a lesser ext
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 05:30:57PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > The requirement for putting stuff in contrib is that it depends on
> > non-free software.
>=20
>
Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> I mentionned Dosemu, which is in contrib. Does dosemu depend on non-free
> software? You can use it to run free dos programs. There are many free
> dos programs.
dosemu is in contrib because it depends on an implementation of DOS, to
boot. While there is a free implementa
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 11:18:50AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Bijan writes:
> > I mean if the criteria for putting stuff in contrib is that you
> > *can* use it to run non-free software then that pretty much puts
> > everything in contrib.
>
> The requirement for putting stuff in contrib is that
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 05:02:12PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > For example I think dosemu is in contrib, even though you can use it to
> > run Free Software programs for dos. I've used it with djgpp and emacs.
>
> See bug #101318.
Oh thanks that clears that up. Freedos temporarily left main, s
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> The requirement for putting stuff in contrib is that it depends on non-fr=
ee
> software.
I mention
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 11:38:09AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:44:55AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > Those installer packages are still in contrib, though, not main. If you
> > don't want non-free software there's a good chance that you won't want
> > to include cont
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 02:03:02PM +, Jeff Gratton wrote:
> ... well I am *not* native english either, but French-Canadian (Quebecer)=
=20
> :).
French (an En
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 11:38:09AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:44:55AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > Those installer packages are still in contrib, though, not main. If
> > you don't want non-free software there's a good chance that you
> > won't want to include cont
Bijan writes:
> I mean if the criteria for putting stuff in contrib is that you *can* use
> it to run non-free software then that pretty much puts everything in
> contrib.
The requirement for putting stuff in contrib is that it depends on non-free
software.
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 04:55:36PM +1000, Darryl Barlow wrote:
> The tension between intellectual property rights and the public benefit of
> "free" information is building, and I don't know how it will ultimately be
> resolved, not only for Software but in many even more important areas. Look,
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:44:55AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> Those installer packages are still in contrib, though, not main. If you
> don't want non-free software there's a good chance that you won't wan
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 02:03:02PM +, Jeff Gratton wrote:
> ... well I am *not* native english either, but French-Canadian (Quebecer)
> :).
>
> Thing is.. I am not calling RMS a loser (... looser :) ) either (here I
> don't know if you were joking on people's spelling or implying that my pos
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:25:12 -0500
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=right
> "In accordance with fact, reason, or truth; correct:"
> So, the spelling is right, and also correct...
Is that a left turn?
Right.
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 07:12:01AM -0500, Rob VanFleet wrote:
>
> Congratulations, you just joined the 10% of the net (not faulting those
> who aren't native english speakers) that actually *does* spell "whining"
> right (i.e. not "whinging"). Now, just don't call anybody a "looser"
> and you'll
On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 10:40, ben wrote:
> Rob VanFleet wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 08:19:37PM -0400, J.F.Gratton wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 22:07, ben wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>be fair. if it wasn't for rms, there might very well not be a linux,
> >>>much less a debian.
> >>
> >>A ze
t RMS shouldn't be
taken at face value anymore, that is all :)
Jeff
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Rob VanFleet)
To: "Debian list (user)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT: Re: rms on debian : background noise
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:12:01 -0500
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 08:19:37P
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 03:40:49PM +, ben wrote:
> Rob VanFleet wrote:
> >On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 08:19:37PM -0400, J.F.Gratton wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 22:07, ben wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>be fair. if it wasn't for rms, there might very well not be a linux,
> >>>much less a debian.
>
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 07:12:01AM -0500, rvf wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 08:19:37PM -0400, J.F.Gratton wrote:
> > On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 22:07, ben wrote:
> >
> > > be fair. if it wasn't for rms, there might very well not be a linux,
> > > much less a debian.
> >
> > A zealot is a zealot is
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 07:12:01AM -0500, Rob VanFleet wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 08:19:37PM -0400, J.F.Gratton wrote:
> > A zealot is a zealot is a zealot. He might have been usefull, but
> > past a certain point, constant whining
>
> Congratulations, you just joined the 10% of the net (
Le Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:41:30 +0100
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a dit:
> The disturbing thing, as one of my friends commented recently, is: while
> it seems ridiculous on the surface, every time I look at it (once a year
> or so) it seems less and less far removed from reality.
Future and his
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:12:01 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Rob VanFleet) wrote:
>
> Congratulations, you just joined the 10% of the net (not faulting those
> who aren't native english speakers) that actually *does* spell "whining"
> right (i.e. not "whinging"). Now, just don't call anybody a "looser"
Rob VanFleet wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 08:19:37PM -0400, J.F.Gratton wrote:
On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 22:07, ben wrote:
be fair. if it wasn't for rms, there might very well not be a linux,
much less a debian.
A zealot is a zealot is a zealot. He might have been usefull, but past a
certain poin
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 08:19:37PM -0400, J.F.Gratton wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 22:07, ben wrote:
>
> > be fair. if it wasn't for rms, there might very well not be a linux,
> > much less a debian.
>
> A zealot is a zealot is a zealot. He might have been usefull, but past a
> certain point,
Steve,
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:40 pm, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:55:36 +1000
> Wait, so endorsing a sub-project but not the main project when, one can
> theorize, the sub-project could include non-free software in the same way
> the main project can... IE, the addition of a ap
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 07:27:42AM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
> >On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 09:52:29PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> >>I just looked at www.gnu.org. Found lots of idealistic stuff that
> >>lots of people have never read.
> >
> >Actually, I have a look at it every so
Colin Watson wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 09:52:29PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:12:13AM +0800, Isaac To wrote:
Different people have different opinions, and the fact that www.gnu.org
decided not to have a link to Debian means that the crews in www.gnu.org
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 09:52:29PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:12:13AM +0800, Isaac To wrote:
> > Different people have different opinions, and the fact that www.gnu.org
> > decided not to have a link to Debian means that the crews in www.gnu.org
> ^^^
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:13:08AM +0100, Jo?o Miguel Neves wrote:
> From my point of view, the issue with debian and non-free software has
> less to do with the non-free repository, and more with installers. You
> can find a bunch of them by doing:
>
> apt-cache search installer
>
> These are fr
A Dom, 2003-08-17 às 10:24, David Fokkema escreveu:
> I don't know. I just installed vrms and checked my system:
>
> No non-free packages installed on sirius! rms would be proud.
>
> I don't really know what RMS is talking about. Just that it is
> _possible_ to install non-free software makes De
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 09:52:29PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I just looked at www.gnu.org. Found lots of idealistic stuff that lots of
> people have never read. The only distribution that I found mentioned
> under "Links to Other Free Software Sites" was "Debian GNU/Linux".
> Not Redhat, SuSe,
Obvously we all owe a lot to RMS, but this does not of course mean that we
must agree with him. He is an idealist, and his solution to the problems
raised by "non-free" software are in my view at one extreme of the spectrum.
I respect his views though I do not entirely agree with them. His at
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:12:13AM +0800, Isaac To wrote:
> Diego Calleja Garc?a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > *ahem*ahem*
> >
> > I was going to saywell. Better I'll shut up. Some people just
> > can't learn.
>
> Learn what? Or is it that you can't learn?
>
> Different people have dif
> "Paul" == Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Paul> On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:12:13AM +0800, Isaac To wrote:
>> ... Different people have different opinions, and the fact that
>> www.gnu.org decided not to have a link to Debian means that the crews
>> in www.gnu.org
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:12:13AM +0800, Isaac To wrote:
> ...
> Different people have different opinions, and the fact that www.gnu.org
> decided not to have a link to Debian means that the crews in www.gnu.org
> agreed to RMS about not having Debian listed
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:12:13AM +0800, Isaac To wrote:
> Different people have different opinions, and the fact that www.gnu.org
> decided not to have a link to Debian means that the crews in www.gnu.org
> agreed to RMS about not having Debian listed is a good idea, even though GNU
> is the one
> "Diego" == Diego Calleja García <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> programs, and their ftp server distributes them. That's why we don't
>> have links to their site on www.gnu.org.
Diego> *ahem*ahem*
Diego> I was going to saywell. Better I'll shut up. Some people just
Di
On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 22:07, ben wrote:
> be fair. if it wasn't for rms, there might very well not be a linux,
> much less a debian.
A zealot is a zealot is a zealot. He might have been usefull, but past a
certain point, constant whining just becomes background
noise.
>From what I read (here a
On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 22:07, ben wrote:
> Howell Evans wrote:
> > Steve Lamb wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:26:43 -0400
> >> Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> What's ironic is that Linex is a Debian derivative. See
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> http://
Howell Evans wrote:
Steve Lamb wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:26:43 -0400
Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What's ironic is that Linex is a Debian derivative. See
http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros#linex
So, how many people upon reading this lost a bit of r
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