Systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-16 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Ralph Katz: There is no "-t" option. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard: In fact there is. It's undocumented; and is one of four undocumented > compatibility options, alongside -a, -f, and -F, that are simply > parsed and then ignored. There is a fifth undocumented option with an > effect, -K. David

Re: systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-16 Thread David Wright
Quoting Jonathan de Boyne Pollard (j.deboynepollard-newsgro...@ntlworld.com): > Ralph Katz: > > >There is no "-t" option. > > > > In fact there is. It's undocumented; and is one of four > undocumented compatibility options, alongside -a, -f, and -F, that > are simply parsed and then ignored. Th

systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-16 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
The Wanderer: I can certainly see the reasoning, though I'm not sure I wouldn't have come down on the other side of that decision. I actually have done myself, on occasion. The Wanderer: Wouldn't it at least make sense to print a message to the effect of "warning, ignoring unsupported le

Re: systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-13 Thread Ralph Katz
On 09/12/2015 06:29 PM, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > Ralph Katz: > >> There is no "-t" option. >> > > In fact there is. It's undocumented; and is one of four undocumented > compatibility options, alongside -a, -f, and -F, that are simply parsed > and then ignored. There is a fifth undocum

Re: systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-09-12 at 18:36, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > The Wanderer: > >> It's still odd / bothersome that systemd's shutdown would see the >> unsupported / unrecognized '-t' option and just proceed blithely >> along, rather than erroring out on the presumption that a mistake >> may have been

systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-12 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
The Wanderer: there are plenty of hits explaining how to make systemd inhibit shutdown or add a delay or the like, and a few hits related to Debian bug 635777 (which seems to be about a delay after the shutdown has actually begun, not about a delay in initiating the shutdown), but no real use

systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-12 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
David Wright: I think the arguments have changed/been juggled/reduced. The lack of -F is especially annoying. They haven't been. All of the documented options to upstart's shutdown command and the System 5 rc shutdown command are recognized, albeit that four of them, including -F, are the

systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-12 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
The Wanderer: It's still odd / bothersome that systemd's shutdown would see the unsupported / unrecognized '-t' option and just proceed blithely along, rather than erroring out on the presumption that a mistake may have been made. It's an engineering choice, to not break existing scripts a

systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-12 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Ralph Katz: There is no "-t" option. In fact there is. It's undocumented; and is one of four undocumented compatibility options, alongside -a, -f, and -F, that are simply parsed and then ignored. There is a fifth undocumented option with an effect, -K.

Re: systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-11 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-09-11 at 14:49, Ralph Katz wrote: > On 09/11/2015 02:22 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > >> I've recently built a VM against jessie, and just for the heck of >> it, I left it with the default systemd-based configuration. >> >> When I log in to the console as root and try to shut down, I get >> t

Re: systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-11 Thread David Wright
Quoting The Wanderer (wande...@fastmail.fm): > I've recently built a VM against jessie, and just for the heck of it, I > left it with the default systemd-based configuration. > > When I log in to the console as root and try to shut down, I get the > following: > > > # shutdown -h -t 0 >

Re: systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Sep 2015 at 14:22:12 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > I've recently built a VM against jessie, and just for the heck of it, I > left it with the default systemd-based configuration. > > When I log in to the console as root and try to shut down, I get the > following: > > > # shutd

Re: systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 11 Sep 2015, The Wanderer wrote: > and an immediate shutdown (without even enough delay to log root out > via Ctrl-D), which is what I get on my other systems, where systemd is > not the active init system. I suspect that the shutdown process has actually started immediately, but that one

Re: systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-11 Thread Ralph Katz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/11/2015 02:22 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > I've recently built a VM against jessie, and just for the heck of > it, I left it with the default systemd-based configuration. > > When I log in to the console as root and try to shut down, I get > the

Re: systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-11 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 14:22:12 -0400 The Wanderer wrote: > I've recently built a VM against jessie, and just for the heck of it, I > left it with the default systemd-based configuration. > > When I log in to the console as root and try to shut down, I get the > following: > > > # s

systemd ignores / overrides 'shutdown -t' delay?

2015-09-11 Thread The Wanderer
I've recently built a VM against jessie, and just for the heck of it, I left it with the default systemd-based configuration. When I log in to the console as root and try to shut down, I get the following: # shutdown -h -t 0 Broadcast message from root@hostname (Fri 2015-09-11 14:08:29 E