Re: Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-11-03 Thread David Wright
On Thu 03 Nov 2022 at 17:27:17 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Nice stories :) I did theoretical physics, but of course, our > faculty was chock full of crazy and interesting folks doing stuff > like you described above. Searching for leaks in the apparatus > consisted of... pumping it full of

Re: Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-11-03 Thread gene heskett
On 11/3/22 10:39, David Wright wrote: [...] Do you think they cared? Of course not, our taxes were footing the bill and they can always feel that last penny and be upset they did not get it. Forget John Glenn: his ride was just the consolation prize. You have the US Government in a panic to

Re: Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-11-03 Thread tomas
On Thu, Nov 03, 2022 at 03:34:54PM +, mick.crane wrote: [...] > I know next to nothing about this stuff but it helps me to think that rather > than everything made of little things that it's clouds of god knows what > swirling about. Yes, the depth of the "technological stack" is sometimes s

Re: Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-11-03 Thread tomas
On Thu, Nov 03, 2022 at 09:38:20AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 02 Nov 2022 at 06:44:22 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > Of course, if you've got 200 or 500 bar, something might leak. > > Yes, that referred only to the gas cylinders (snipped from the above). I understood that.

Re: Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-11-03 Thread mick.crane
On 2022-11-03 14:38, David Wright wrote: You still don't get it, the helium molecule is so small it wiggles thru a steel walls  huge molecules like they were a layer of felt. Monel alloy is denser but it still leaks. I haven't done the experiments, but others, like this pair, have. https://w

Re: Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-11-03 Thread David Wright
On Wed 02 Nov 2022 at 06:44:22 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Nov 02, 2022 at 12:06:16AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 01 Nov 2022 at 06:49:09 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > > > This is only a half-truth. You know what goes out faster than helium? > > > Vacuum.

Re: Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-11-02 Thread gene heskett
On 11/2/22 01:07, David Wright wrote: On Tue 01 Nov 2022 at 06:49:09 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 06:32:17PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] I think, but don't know for sure, that they were also helium filled drives, a guaranteed disaster. They used the helium to

Re: Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-11-02 Thread Curt
On 2022-11-02, David Wright wrote: > > To be fair, most vacuum tubes aren't bathed in helium, but air, and > then only at a one atmosphere differential pressure. A gas cylinder > might be as high as 500 atmospheres. I always thought vacuum tubes weren't filled with anything but a "high vacuum" an

Re: Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-11-02 Thread Tim Woodall
On Wed, 2 Nov 2022, David Wright wrote: Whatever, even I with an 8th grade diploma, knows you cannot keep helium anyplace for very long. Put it in a monel metal bottle with walls an inch thick and its molecules's are so small that 10% of it is gone in 6 or 7 hours.? So the He cylinders that we

Re: Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-11-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Nov 02, 2022 at 12:06:16AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 01 Nov 2022 at 06:49:09 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > This is only a half-truth. You know what goes out faster than helium? > > Vacuum. And there was a whole glorious epoch in electronics which did > > rely on kee

Re: Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-11-01 Thread David Wright
On Tue 01 Nov 2022 at 06:49:09 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 06:32:17PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > [...] > > > I think, but don't know for sure, that they were also helium filled drives, > > a guaranteed disaster. > > > > They used the helium to make the heads fl

Re: Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-11-01 Thread David Christensen
On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 06:32:17PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: I think, but don't know for sure, that they were also helium filled drives, a guaranteed disaster. https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg780296.html gene heskett Sun, 13 Mar 2022 14:49:25 -0700 The first to

Re: Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-11-01 Thread gene heskett
On 11/1/22 01:50, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 06:32:17PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] I think, but don't know for sure, that they were also helium filled drives, a guaranteed disaster. They used the helium to make the heads fly lower, and when the helium leaked out, an

Helium [was: t-bird screwing up]

2022-10-31 Thread tomas
On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 06:32:17PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] > I think, but don't know for sure, that they were also helium filled drives, > a guaranteed disaster. > > They used the helium to make the heads fly lower, and when the helium leaked > out, and air leaked in, Possible. > the

Re: t-bird screwing up

2022-10-31 Thread gene heskett
On 10/31/22 17:35, David Wright wrote: On Mon 31 Oct 2022 at 13:56:53 (-), Curt wrote: On 2022-10-30, gene heskett wrote: Thanks all for any help. In the meantime I'll nuke the malformed filter Would it not be better to move it, and examine it at leisure. I'm not a t-bird expert, how wou

Re: t-bird screwing up

2022-10-31 Thread gene heskett
On 10/31/22 09:58, Curt wrote: On 2022-10-30, gene heskett wrote: Thanks all for any help. In the meantime I'll nuke the malformed filter Would it not be better to move it, and examine it at leisure. I'm not a t-bird expert, how would I go about that? It seems they're all kept in a single f

Re: t-bird screwing up

2022-10-31 Thread David Wright
On Mon 31 Oct 2022 at 13:56:53 (-), Curt wrote: > On 2022-10-30, gene heskett wrote: > > Thanks all for any help. In the meantime I'll nuke the malformed filter > >> Would it not be better to move it, and examine it at leisure. > > I'm not a t-bird expert, how would I go about that?

Re: t-bird screwing up

2022-10-31 Thread Curt
On 2022-10-30, gene heskett wrote: Thanks all for any help. In the meantime I'll nuke the malformed filter >> Would it not be better to move it, and examine it at leisure. > I'm not a t-bird expert, how would I go about that? > It seems they're all kept in a single file called 'msgFilte

Re: t-bird screwing up

2022-10-31 Thread didier gaumet
Hello Gene, Bullseye and Thunderbird (102.4) up to date here. I do not use filters but I just created (Tools/Filters/New Menu (guessed translation as my Debian is installed in french)) a filter that I saved. I then closed Thunderbird. I reopened it. Then went to the Tools/Filters/Modify Menu

Re: t-bird screwing up

2022-10-30 Thread gene heskett
On 10/30/22 16:19, David Wright wrote: On Sun 30 Oct 2022 at 12:15:38 (-0700), Fred wrote: On 10/30/22 07:54, gene heskett wrote: One or maybe more of my t-bird msg filters has gotten the path to move a msg to local folders/name has somehow gotten contaminated with a "nobody" user in the path,

Re: t-bird screwing up

2022-10-30 Thread Frank
Op 30-10-2022 om 20:15 schreef Fred: On 10/30/22 07:54, gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; One or maybe more of my t-bird msg filters has gotten the path to move a msg to local folders/name has somehow gotten contaminated with a "nobody" user in the path, which of course does not exist, so ap

Re: t-bird screwing up

2022-10-30 Thread tomas
On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 03:18:13PM -0500, David Wright wrote: [...] > I don't use Tbird. In FF, have you tried Alt-E, N, scroll down, and > check the box: Always show scrollbars. (That's Edit→Preferences.) Oh, thanks for this one. That hiding scrollbar must have escaped straight from "User Exper

Re: t-bird screwing up

2022-10-30 Thread David Wright
On Sun 30 Oct 2022 at 12:15:38 (-0700), Fred wrote: > On 10/30/22 07:54, gene heskett wrote: > > > > One or maybe more of my t-bird msg filters has gotten the path to > > move a msg to local folders/name > > has somehow gotten contaminated with a "nobody" user in the path, > > which of course does

Re: t-bird screwing up

2022-10-30 Thread Fred
On 10/30/22 07:54, gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; One or maybe more of my t-bird msg filters has gotten the path to move a msg to local folders/name has somehow gotten contaminated with a "nobody" user in the path, which of course does not exist, so apparently that filter is sending msgs f

t-bird screwing up

2022-10-30 Thread gene heskett
Greetings all; One or maybe more of my t-bird msg filters has gotten the path to move a msg to local folders/name has somehow gotten contaminated with a "nobody" user in the path, which of course does not exist, so apparently that filter is sending msgs from a good friend to /dev/null.  This i