On 2018-03-14, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:01:19 AM Joe wrote:
>> Actually, for some years I've kept in my jacket pocket the smallest
>> external hard drive I've ever seen, which sadly was the end of its
>> line. I haven't been able to find a replacement.
>>
>> It
On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:01:19 AM Joe wrote:
> Actually, for some years I've kept in my jacket pocket the smallest
> external hard drive I've ever seen, which sadly was the end of its
> line. I haven't been able to find a replacement.
>
> It contains a 32-bit installation of Debian unstable
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:29:38 +
Joe wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:04:14 -0400
> Albretch Mueller wrote:
>
> > I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
> > learn some actual programming
> >
> > My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
On 03/13/2018 07:59 PM, Albretch Mueller wrote:
[snip]
No! A functional language! Object oriented languages are wrong!
Linear types FTW! Multi-paradigm! Strongly typed! Dynamically
typed -- no, statically typed!
In fact, it will just be an introduction, but I want to teach them to
be "multi
On 3/13/18, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> There are now a variety of open source attempts at similar functionality,
> this
> page provides some thoughts:
>
> https://www.quora.com/Is-there-an-open-source-free-alternative-to-Mathematica
Thank you! Very good reference! I like the idea of a free/OS P
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 09:53:02PM -0700, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
> Perhaps, but I would get very excited if I found someone was interested by
> that few lines of text. Such people are the ones who we really need,
> because they're the ones who are going to be writing the building blocks of
> tomo
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:04:14 AM Albretch Mueller wrote:
> I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
> learn some actual programming
What is the age group of these kids? I don't think I've seen it mentioned
anywhere in the thread, and, to me at least, it seems lik
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:15:22PM +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On 2018-03-13, wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > 1) All generalizations suck.
> > 2) Language wars are generally a loss of time.
>
> That makes two generalisations which, presumably, suck.
So
On 13/03/18 01:29 PM, Joe wrote:
I might suggest other lines of approach, such as Lazarus (I learned the
outlines of OO on Borland Delphi) which mixes coding with visual
application building, or the use of Arduino hardware which is cheap and
very much real-world, and is supported well on Debian.
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 07:48:29 PM Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Another option if you have the budget would be Mathematica -- that would
> go from math concepts straight to programming.
Ahh, that was what I was trying to remember, and Stephen Wolfram was (is?)
the author. It is rather expensive,
> Exposing children to C and/or C++ should be considered abuse. :)
> Similarly exposing pointers is just a method of introducing bugs and security
> holes into programs.
I see your point including the joke, but I don't quite agree with
you. I will, of course, explain to them the dangers of usin
Exposing children to C and/or C++ should be considered abuse. :)
No need for an emoticon there! C in the hands of an inexperienced
programmer is a recipe for disaster!
Lego or smalltalk, pharo smalltalk has its own IDE so everything is in 1
place
Unless there's now a "Lego" programming la
Albretch Mueller writes:
> I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
> learn some actual programming
>
> My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
> C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how patterns
> are coded in different l
On 03/13, Gary Dale wrote:
On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote:
I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
learn some actual programming
My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are abou
On 2018-03-13, wrote:
[...]
> 1) All generalizations suck.
> 2) Language wars are generally a loss of time.
That makes two generalisations which, presumably, suck.
Hi,
now that Python on vanilla Debian Live is found as answer to the actual
question, let me show my favorite among those languages which i never
tried:
http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
On 14/03/18 06:12, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
Perhaps Python
+1 for Python as a first language. What ages and areas of interest?
Debian Live will have some Python and text editors. I also recommend
that you check out PyGame, SciPy, and Jupyter.
Kind regards,
--
Ben Caradoc-Davies
Director
Tr
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 04:22:43PM -0400, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
So where does Ada fall into all of this?
I used to really like Ada. I haven't really thought about it in more
than 15 years. At this point I'd wonder why pick it instead of something
either optimized for teaching or remotely li
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 16:22:43 -0400
Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> Original thought process: So where does Ada fall into all of this? As
> an upfront disclaimer, I found this detail at the very last before
> posting:
>
> License for the run-time library > Proprietary, royalty free.
>
> I personally
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:04:14 -0400
Albretch Mueller wrote:
> I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
> learn some actual programming
>
> My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
> C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how
On 3/13/18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:54:15AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
>> On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote:
>> > I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
>> >learn some actual pro
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:18:37 -0400
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 01:01:22PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> > We're not talking about the pros and cons of specific languages but
> > rather about how to teach children to write programs. Focusing on
> > things like pointers is funda
Albretch Mueller wrote:
> I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
> learn some actual programming
>
> My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
> C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how patterns
> are coded in different lang
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 01:01:22PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> We're not talking about the pros and cons of specific languages but rather
> about how to teach children to write programs. Focusing on things like
> pointers is fundamentally wrong. You need to teach them things like breaking
> down prob
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 01:01:22PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
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> We're not talking about the pros and cons of specific languages but
> rather about how to teach children to write programs. Focusing on
> things like pointers is fundamentally wrong.
On 2018-03-13 11:38 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:54:15AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote:
I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
learn some actual progra
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:54:15AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote:
> > I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
> >learn some actual programming
> >
> > My approach is to introduce t
On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote:
I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
learn some actual programming
My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how patterns
are coded
I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
learn some actual programming
My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how patterns
are coded in different languages, ...)
Is there a blend with
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