Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-07 Thread John L. Fjellstad
Marc Wilson wrote: I don't know... why do you bother to subscribe to a mailing list, when you can't be bothered to *read* it before whining about someone else's posting? Or did you not notice that I *did* define the terms? I noticed, and I also noticed the tone you used. I just don't see

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-05 Thread John L. Fjellstad
Marc Wilson wrote: Is there a reason to not actually bother reading the man page for apt-get and learning the difference between the two targets? Why do you bother answer, when giving the answer makes you so uncomfortable? -- John L.

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-05 Thread Florian Ernst
Hello Thanasis! On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 09:38:18PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote: Let me rephrase that: Given that it is (for a system tracking testing) at times necessary to do `dist-upgrade', is there any reason not to do it always? A quote from man apt-get |dist-upgrade, in addition to

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-05 Thread Bill Moseley
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 08:23:25PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: You're not wondering the same thing as me... I know perfectly well what the two targets do. It's Bill Moseley who's doing the wondering. I always do dist-upgrade also. Since I also always use -u, I'm not worried about its

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-05 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Bill Moseley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031205 08:38]: My question is if sources.list specifies woody instead of stable so dist-upgrade will not someday upgrade to sarge and since a stable distribution should not change dependencies, IS there a difference between using upgrade vs.

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-05 Thread Bill Moseley
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:01:37AM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote: * Bill Moseley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031205 08:38]: My question is if sources.list specifies woody instead of stable so dist-upgrade will not someday upgrade to sarge and since a stable distribution should not change

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-05 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:38:02AM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: -u enables APT::Get::Show-Upgraded to true which lists what packages are going to be updated, but, IIRC, APT::Get::Show-Upgraded is true by default. Yeah. It didn't used to be so, and many people change it so that it's not. Using

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-05 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:31:25PM +0100, John L. Fjellstad wrote: Marc Wilson wrote: Is there a reason to not actually bother reading the man page for apt-get and learning the difference between the two targets? Why do you bother answer, when giving the answer makes you so

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-04 Thread Marc Wilson
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:41:27PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: Is there a reason to use or not use dist-upgrade on Woody machines for security updates? Is there a reason to not actually bother reading the man page for apt-get and learning the difference between the two targets? 'upgrade'

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-04 Thread Bill Moseley
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 11:13:22PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:41:27PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: Is there a reason to use or not use dist-upgrade on Woody machines for security updates? Is there a reason to not actually bother reading the man page for apt-get and

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-04 Thread Thanasis Kinias
scripsit Bill Moseley: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 11:13:22PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: [snip] 'upgrade' - apt CAN'T change a package's installation state 'dist-upgrade' - apt CAN change a package's installation state [snip] Therefore, it's been my assumption that in that case

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-04 Thread Benedict Verheyen
Marc Wilson wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:41:27PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: Is there a reason to use or not use dist-upgrade on Woody machines for security updates? Is there a reason to not actually bother reading the man page for apt-get and learning the difference between the two

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-04 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:57:16PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote: I wonder the same thing as Marc. You're not wondering the same thing as me... I know perfectly well what the two targets do. It's Bill Moseley who's doing the wondering. I always do dist-upgrade also. Since I also always use

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-04 Thread Marc Wilson
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:11:30AM +0100, Benedict Verheyen wrote: ? So you automatically assume that when a person reads the man page he understands what's being said? That's not the best assumption IMHO. No. I assume that if a person reads the man page, and does not understand it, he will

Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-04 Thread Thanasis Kinias
scripsit Marc Wilson: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:57:16PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote: I wonder the same thing as Marc. You're not wondering the same thing as me... I know perfectly well what the two targets do. It's Bill Moseley who's doing the wondering. Sorry, brain-finger connection

ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

2003-12-03 Thread Bill Moseley
I always use dist-upgrade on my Woody machine when security announcements come out. I do this out of habit -- I think early on I had problems with just upgrade. Is there a reason to use or not use dist-upgrade on Woody machines for security updates? -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] --