Re: Support for UMC8673

2003-08-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 16:02, Chris Owen wrote: > Hi there, wonder if anyone can help me out with this. > > I installed Debian on an old laptop, found that hard disk access is > unusably slow, apparently this is because my disk controller, a UMC8673, > is not supported by the kernel. I have kern

[OT] Is RMS a Star Trek fan??

2003-08-18 Thread Ron Johnson
Quote from Harcourt Fenton Mudd, on the Star Trek:TOS episode "I, Mudd" "Knowledge should be free for all." I couldn't stop laughing... -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA &

Re: Newbie Hardware Question

2003-08-18 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 06:23, Hershel Robinson wrote: > I am about to purchase a new machine on which I hope to install Debian. I > was told by someone that I should insure that the new hardware will be Linux > compatible. I thought that one of Debian's claims to fame is that it runs on > so many di

Re: OT: Re: rms on debian : background noise

2003-08-18 Thread Ron Johnson
gt; > actually, the spelling isn't right, it's correct. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=right "In accordance with fact, reason, or truth; correct:" So, the spelling is right, and also correct... -- - Ron

Re: serial ATA

2003-08-18 Thread Ron Johnson
ts.debian.org/search.html > > see this thread: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200308/msg02830.html So is there any hope for SATA in the 2.4 kernels? Maybe in the -ac branch? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr.

Re: FYI: IBM DB2 installation on Woody

2003-08-20 Thread Ron Johnson
;, and post it here? -- ------------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA Some former UNSCOM officials are alarmed, however. Terry Taylor, a British senior UNSCOM inspector from 1993 to 1997, says the figure of 95 percent disar

Re: Harassment

2003-08-21 Thread Ron Johnson
t; thereof. So how much credence can I give to CR systems if he is their > advocate? Not much, but don't let one person's idiocy dissuade you, since, in the Grand Scheme Of Things, AC/Bruce Burhans is not the Universal Embodiment Of CR... -- --------

Re: (OT) Team programming tools

2003-08-21 Thread Ron Johnson
/other-formats/html_single/CVS-RCS-HOWTO.html -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Whatever may be the moral ambiguities of the so-called demoratic nations and however serious may be their failure to conform perfectly to their democratic i

Re: WD internal eide160 gb 40-pin recommended packages

2003-08-21 Thread Ron Johnson
screen does not show you more than 137GB, a new enough kernel and EIDE controller will give you 160GB. Of course, as John says, if your mobo is more than ~1 year old, you may need to get a PCI controller. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PRO

Re: exim questions: Filtering extensitons with version 3.35 or Howto move from exim 3.35 to 4.2

2003-08-21 Thread Ron Johnson
version 4.2x under Debian Woody? (Do any > deb's exist for Woody?) mimedefang -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "(Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into b

Re: how to configure e-mail server

2003-08-23 Thread Ron Johnson
where else in the developing world ;-) > > India's not China, it's a IT hotbed. The piracy rate is still pretty high. That's *one* reason why the Indian federal and state governments are looking favorably upon Linux: it reduces the piracy rate. -- ----------

Re: [OT] Good GNU/Linux book for translation

2003-08-23 Thread Ron Johnson
tworking etc. And also basic Unix and Linux commands. I also would > like it to be as distro independent as possible. How about looking through either of these, from The Linux Documentation Project? http://www.tldp.org/guides.html http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html -- --

Re: XPde and Blanes2000

2003-08-24 Thread Ron Johnson
so I am not surprised that it it is well integrated. You ought to complain to the person/ people who created xpde as to why it's menus are sparse, and ask them for help. After all, proprietary interfaces are more friendly, and we support OSS... -- -------

Re: Today mozilla-firebird Wants To Remove KDE

2003-08-24 Thread Ron Johnson
m, immediately can take many hours. ;-) [snip] Even though the packages have been "removed", the debs still remain in /var/cache/apt/archives. Thus, unless new revisions of the KDE s/w have been released, apt won't re-download the debs. -- -----------

Re: money/quicken/?

2003-08-24 Thread Ron Johnson
(>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= > > 1:1.1.4), slib, guile-1.6-slib, libfinance-quote-perl, > > libdate-manip-perl > > Look at all those dependencies! You're not supposed to scare people > off. :) If I were running RH/Mdk/SuSE (RPM Hell), or used KDE and had a 56K line, I

Re: money/quicken/?

2003-08-24 Thread Ron Johnson
(>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= > > 1:1.1.4), slib, guile-1.6-slib, libfinance-quote-perl, > > libdate-manip-perl > > Look at all those dependencies! You're not supposed to scare people > off. :) If you use Gnome, then the majority of these dependencies will already be me

Re: Today mozilla-firebird Wants To Remove KDE

2003-08-25 Thread Ron Johnson
of packages are available. > > Repeated runs of 'apt-get upgrade' should be no more effective than a > single run. Note, though, that "apt-get upgrade" plus the manual "apt-get install" of the held-back packages works perfectly. -- -

Re: What to expect after XP installation on the other disc

2003-08-25 Thread Ron Johnson
suffered from any of those problems... -- ------------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Vanity, my favorite sin." Larry/John/Satan, "The Devil's Advocate" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-26 Thread Ron Johnson
ew of COBOL. In the hands of someone with a brain, it's quite a powerful and modular language. http://www.thekompany.com/products/kobol/ http://www.thekompany.com/products/kobol/demo.php3 -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Je

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:36, Mark Roach wrote: > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:52, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 03:35, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > > I've, unfortunately, been forced into taking a COBOL class as a > > > requirement for getting my BS. (And t

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:50, Kirk Strauser wrote: > At 2003-08-26T12:52:33Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Too bad you have such a negative view of COBOL. In the hands of someone > > with a brain, it's quite a powerful and modular language. > >

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:24, Yves Goergen wrote: > Von: "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:50, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > > At 2003-08-26T12:52:33Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > Too

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:05, Kirk Strauser wrote: > At 2003-08-26T14:25:32Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > For a "Hello, World" program, or an OS, or a graphics toolkit, even > > Admiral Hooper would not say that COBOL is the proper tool. O

RE: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:29, David Turetsky wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:05, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > > At 2003-08-26T14:25:32Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > For a "Hello, World" program, or an OS, or a graphics

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 17:22, bob parker wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:25, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:50, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > > At 2003-08-26T12:52:33Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Too bad you have such a nega

Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
gt; server... Am I correct here? > > Does anyone know why? Has this something to do with Sobig.F? Luckily my > ISP filters out Sobig.F for me, so this saves me the hassle ;). I've noticed the same thing on this list and the PostgreSQL lists. -- -----

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 19:35, Britton wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:25:55AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] > This just isn't true. Perl at least is brought to its knees by a variety > of problems that C has no

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 18:23, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 02:30:57PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:29, David Turetsky wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:05, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > > > From: Ron Johnson [mail

RE: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
s add up. > Seems like a one-to-one correspondence to me, never mind the compactness > and power of Perl I'd still rather the MOVE CORRESPONDING, because it means that one more bit of busy work is off my plate. A corollary command is, if I remember properly, the FILL verb. If

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
the price of being incredibly wordy. Our first "Hello > World" program is a little over two pages. Don't worry. By the time your code gets out to 3-500 lines, it'll be approximately the same length as a similar C program. -- --------

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
ge. > And it runs on OpenVMS, which is The One True OS!! -- ------------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Millions of Chinese speak Chinese, and it's not hereditary..." Dr. Dean Edell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
hon is *very* portable, but even it has platform-specific functions. It's relatively easy, though, to compensate with run- time conditional execution. Given that the app programmer is adequately skilled and uses the proper algorithms, speed is dependent upon the compiler writer's skill, not

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
in Fortran. Thus, C is great, and all other languages suck!". Fortunately, this attitude is also diminishing. Unfortunately, nowadays "s/C /Perl /". -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Exp

Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
gt; all the Debian mailing lists that Debian sends more email than some > spamhauses. It really takes a long time to send a lot of email on > old, donated hardware. Totally disagree. Before MSBlaster & sobig.f made their appearance, the debian- lists were responding very quickly. -- -

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 05:52, Colin Watson wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 03:46:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > It's only compatible and portable on similar platforms. Any C > > code that chock full of Linux system calls won't portable to any > > other platfor

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 06:34, Paul Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 03:59:27AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > 2 - C is The Language Of Unix, Unix is Great, We Use Unix, there- > > fore We Write In C. (The fact

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
I'm totally confused on > the concept. (If not, what does .o stand for if not Object?) That's a joke, right? -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Perl is worse than Python because people wante

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
t;C was created to write unix to begin with" are sheep. Give me a better reason, like "I need to touch the hardware", or "the scripting language I use only allows binary extensions to be written in C". --

Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 07:56, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:16:03AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > | On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 05:17, Paul Johnson wrote: > | > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:25:10PM +0200, Pim Bliek wrote: [snip] > | > | Totally disagre

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
eally need depending on what you > want to do... Python!! Object oriented, and methods that need speed are wrapped around C. -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "All machines, no matter ho

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 05:42, bob parker wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:46, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 17:22, bob parker wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:25, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > > > I particularly like the way it deletes the most sign

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
t; C was the single biggest mistake Stroustrup made. Gee, I thought I was a Luddite for not wanting my kids to start playing computer games when they turned 3. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA Great Inventors

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:06, Alfredo Valles wrote: > On Wednesday 27 August 2003 3:59 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 07:15, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > > > Frank Gevaerts wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:11:08AM -0500, Alex Malinovich wro

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 09:42, John Hasler wrote: > Ron Johnson writes: > > But the point is that it can easily be done, and often is, to get that > > extra feature, or reduce the SLOC by a dozen or so, or to speed it up a > > little bit. > > The only one of my packages

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
e of honor in the > "brain-damaged" C++ hall of fame. How about Python with C modules for the stuff that C does better/ faster than Python? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "For me and window

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
unction, but with type safety. If you want a C-like OO language with type safety, why not use Java? -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Why should we not accept all in favor of woman suffrage to our pla

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 06:41, Pigeon wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 07:53:34PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 19:35, Britton wrote: > > > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:25:55AM -05

Re: Kernel vs driver question

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
s it isn't 2.4.18. > > Other than generating an entirely new kernel, is there > a way to get this driver happy with this kernel? > Like, rename the kernel somewhere? Could you give us a concrete example? -- --------- Ro

Re: Command line printing

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
you should be able to print any random text file by typing $ lp -d HP710C foobar.txt -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA The purpose of the military isn't to pay your college tuition or give you a little extra income; it's to "kill people and break things&q

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
llent binaries. > (Yeah, some people can get good performance because they're good c++ coders. > Probably it's not even a 1% of all c++ coders though) > > Another reason: great C compilers. (yeah, c++ is getting better...) --

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
anguage, to distinguish it from 3GLs like, oh, every other procedural language except Assembly (which is 2GL, after all). -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Man, I'm pretty. Hoo Hah!" Johnny Bravo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 10:34, Alfredo Valles wrote: > On Wednesday 27 August 2003 7:45 pm, Deryk Barker wrote: > > Thus spake Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:06, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Pytho

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
adamant > in how I use whitespace. Though I will need to pick it up sooner later. Why Alex, whatever do you mean by that? -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "As the night fall does not come at onc

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
ife Cycle bit). If you want a (IMHO) good mix between QnD and OO, try Python. It is totally comfortable with procedural coding and OO coding. -- ------------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Our computers and their comp

Re: Faked From-Adress with my domain on them

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
m your emails: Old-Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "What other evidence do you have that

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
've ever seen it. > Someday I'd like to see some "COBOL-like" code written in C. Instead of lots of small functions and a minimum of global variables, the classic code from a "bad COBOL programmer forced to write C" would have large main(), very few other functions,

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
.pyc file (c) you can hide the source from the end-users, especially "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" dorks. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "As the night fall does not come at

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
st other of it's ideas, others are *finally* catching up with DEC: GNU is, I believe, trying to do something similar with the gnu compiler collection. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA Thanks to the good people in Microsoft, a great de

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
h better > after that. > > I also think that enforced indentation is a very good thing in a > language used to teach programming - one of the things that makes > python so good for that, in fact. But as you just demonstrated, regularized indenting is crucial to any code bigger than

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 21:58, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:53:26 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Seriously, though, OO languages, being born of academia, were designed > > *not* to be quick-'n-dirty languages. They were designed with &g

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
important to you? Speed or silence? -- ------------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 22:13, Deryk Barker wrote: > Thus spake Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 17:34, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:15:13AM -0500, Michael Heironimus wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 26

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
hat os.path.walk() is a godsend. :) As are, IMO, .isabs() .isfile() .isdir() .islink() .ismount() .realpath() -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA Thanks to the good people in Microsoft, a great deal of th

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 01:44, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 21:43, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 16:01, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > > Дана сре, 27-08-2003 у 13:06, Steve Lamb је написао: > > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:21:05 -0700 > >

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
me, a COBOL fan, COBOL-69 was Truly, Totally Evil. -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "What other evidence do you have that they are terrorists, other than that they trained in these camps?" 17-Sep-2002 Katie Couric t

Re: more OT: search-and-replace commands (was Re: OT: Why is C sopopular?)

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
nly change the extension. And, no, MS *still* can't do anything right, since the filename/ filetype split is at least as old as the '70s. CP/M had it, as well as various DEC OSs (which were the inspiration for CP/M). -- ------------- Ron

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
re Windows > > proggies were up to what we had on the 286. > > Windows, yes. OS/2 v3.0 and higher, no. Could Warp run on the 286? I don't think so. It definitely ran fine on my 486DX/33 w/ 8MB RAM and et4000/w32 video card. -- -------

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 22:57, bob parker wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:55, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:06, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > > On Wednesday 27 August 2003 3:59 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 07:15, Peter Hugosson

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
w AMD 2500+ is as quiet as the PIII-667 it replaced. > Try something more than a $.09 cooling fan. What brand of fans and CPU cooler do you use? -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "What other evidenc

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
a flame war. -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:06, Alfredo Valles wrote: > On Wednesday 27 August 2003 3:59 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 07:15, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > > > Frank Gevaerts wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:11:08AM -0500, Alex Malinovich wro

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 05:22, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:09:03 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 02:04, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:51:23 -0500 > > > Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 06:31, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:01:59 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 23:52, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:57:50 +1000 > > > bob parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 06:35, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:07:35 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So I *am* a Luddite after all: a good text interface is just as > > good as any GUI interface, and a hell of a lot faster. > > Depen

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 07:23, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:46:09 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lets take my MUA, Evolution, for example. It's not processor > > intensive. Why couldn't it be written in Python? > >

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 05:28, Tom Allison wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 21:06, Tom Allison wrote: > > > >>I am getting really curious about these new Via CPU's that work on the > >>micro-ITX systems. I especially like the idea that I

Re: port forwarding question: firewall or ssh?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
retty much defeated then, though. Thus, if you wind up tunneling many ports thru 22, it might be better to use a VPN. -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insi

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
arently it's good for CPU's up to the > 3200+. It'll fit all SocketA CPU's so if you're Athlon 1Ghz is running > noisy it may be worth a look! What do you mean by "25 cooler" and "8 CoolerMaster"? Also, do you know what brand(s)/size(s) of case

Re: FW: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
ch about Java. Having used Java, I'd say that Java isn't good for small programs/quick hacks. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA The difference between drunken sailors and Congressmen is that drun

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 09:42, John Hasler wrote: > Ron Johnson writes: > > In fact, if there was a text-based MUA that has drop-down menus, etc, I'd > > seriously think about dropping Evolution... > > Gnus.

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 10:31, Harshwardhan Nagaonkar wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 06:34, Chris Wilcox wrote: > > > >>>On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 00:05, Steve Lamb wrote: > >>> > >>>>On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:21:57 +0200

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 12:21, Diego Calleja García wrote: > El Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:12:22 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > > KDE is pretty fast, and the MS VC++ generates excellent binaries. > > Tried running kde apps outside of kde? Well, n

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
editor! Heck, vim in default mode (no syntax coloring) is Good Enough. -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA After listening to many White House, Pentagon & CENTCOM briefings in both Gulf Wars, it is my firm belief that most "senior

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 13:16, Peter Nuttall wrote: > On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 6:07 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 10:31, Harshwardhan Nagaonkar wrote: > > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 06:34, Chris Wilcox wrote: > > > >

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 13:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:58:01PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > >> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:53:26 -0500 > >> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Seriously, though, OO languages, being born of

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 14:23, Joey Hess wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > The primary design goal of these x86 CPUs is low power usage. In > > fact, they just released a *passively cooled* 733MHz CPU. > > And? I have a 867 mhz transmeta cpu in my laptop. No fan. No heat &g

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 15:36, Peter Nuttall wrote: > On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 8:01 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 13:16, Peter Nuttall wrote: > > > On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 6:07 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 10:31, Harshwardhan

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
d then by OSs that allow IRQ-sharing. Even then, though, the Dead Hand Of 1981 hangs over Linux: perform- ance suffers if too many PCI devices (whether cards or devices built onto the mobo: IDE, USB, ieee1394, SCSI) share the same IRQ. -- ---------

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
he opposite problem. I think people should just use > whatever they're most comfortable with that's possible in their > environment. (e.g. I don't think it's possible to do a } else { line in > python even when using comments because you'd have comment code comment

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
gt; points to make it more-or-less readable. With delimiting based on > whitespace and line breaks, you've had it. That happens occasionally, but most, going on all,) Python program- mers set their editor config files to this: set expandtab set shiftwidth=4 set tabstop=4 set smarttab &g

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 03:35, Anders Arnholm wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 01:32:07PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 11:06, Alan Shutko wrote: > > > Anders Arnholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > So, basically, you don't like Python

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
code because of the inconsistancy in > indentation/placement of braces. My solution for that has been $ indent > .c. And then when you check the file back into cvs, it grinds away at a whole-file differential... The solution, though, is an Organizational Standard that must be followed.

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
ompiler were strong enough to permit us to rewrite the Unix kernel for the PDP-11 in C during the summer of that year." -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "I'm not a vegetarian because I lo

Re: [DEB-USER] Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 17:31, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 06:07:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 22:57, bob parker wrote: > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:55, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:06, A

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
w the modules look. See? I just frobnitzed the > knob from 500 miles away!" > > Him: "So, I'm supposed to tell my boss that there's NOT EVEN A DEMO > INTERFACE?!?" > > Us: "Well, right" This is why programmers who have PHBs like RAD...

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 19:18, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 01:08:56PM -0700, Mark Ferlatte wrote: > > Ron Johnson said on Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 02:16:22PM -0500: > > > With tight budgets and tight schedules, I've *never* seen a project > > > rew

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 05:09, Tom Badran wrote: > On Thursday 28 Aug 2003 20:16, Ron Johnson wrote: > > The SDLC and corporate politics are independent. Academics should > > take corporate politics into consideration when coming up with these > > theories. > > W

Re: FW: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 04:18, Paul Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 09:06:23AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Or the poster doesn't know much about Java. Having used Java, I'd > > say that Java isn

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 01:56, bob parker wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:37, Steve Lamb wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:13:47 -0500 > > > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What brand of fans and CPU cooler do you use? > > > > He

Re: X-Terminal laptops?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
uh... very slow" laptop. Even with all that inefficiency built into > > I'm amazed nobody's come up with x terminals in laptop form factor... The components are more expensive than their full-sized counter- parts. -- ----------

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