Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040505 14:10]: --- The Debian project resolves that it will not compromise on freedom, and will never knowingly issue another release (excluding point updates to stable releases) that contains anything in the 'main' or 'contrib' sections which is not

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Eduard Bloch
I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the resolution: -- Reaffirmation of the social contract - priorities are our users and the free software community ... community, and we don't intend to blow our guidelines up to full legal texts, because we

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-06-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Raul Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040528 19:25]: On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 03:38:47PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: While we're on the subject of interpretations, the first clause (The Debian project resolves that it will not compromise on freedom) constitutes a position statement about an

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Michael Schiansky
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:19:15AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the resolution: -- Reaffirmation of the social contract - priorities are our users and the free software community We, Debian, reaffirm that our

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-01 09:19:15 +0100 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the resolution: Don't you need to sign it? We know that, as with every guidelines, there are border cases were where not were. re-inforce the release policy that was

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004, Andreas Barth wrote: We, Debian, reaffirm that our priorities are our users and the free software community. We keep to that, both are our priorities. We don't intend to give one of them up for the other. We strongly believe that, in the long run, their interests are the

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:19:15AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: We know that, as with every guidelines, there are border cases were these guidelines don't really match. We promise to use our common sense in this case to get to an appropriate result. We will use our guidelines in a way that

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:19:15AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: For our users, we promise to do regular releases; as a guideline, a major release of the distribution should happen about once a year. We vote for more money -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' :

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:15:47AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: course, the Release Manager team is authorized to adjust the release policy. So, if this option passes, the RM could just revert it to the overruled one immediately? I think I can safely speak for everyone involved in release and

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040601 11:40]: On Tue, 01 Jun 2004, Andreas Barth wrote: We, Debian, reaffirm that our priorities are our users and the free software community. We keep to that, both are our priorities. We don't intend to give one of them up for the other. We strongly

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040601 11:25]: On 2004-06-01 09:19:15 +0100 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the resolution: Don't you need to sign it? According to my mail program, it was signed. We know that, as with

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 01, Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the resolution: Seconded. -- ciao, | Marco | [6555 tr7cnnrfx4XGs] signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Sam Couter
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We vote for more money And a pony! -- Sam Eddie Couter | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian Developer| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:31:21AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: Objection. Common sense is what tells you that the world is flat. Common sense tells me that if the world was flat the horizon would always be obscured. -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-06-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:39:10AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Reason: Please be specific what you want. As long as a GR doesn't say that it might touch a foundation document, it doesn't do. It might be nice if the constitution (or some foundation document) said this. As it happens, people

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-06-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Raul Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040601 18:10]: On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:39:10AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Reason: Please be specific what you want. As long as a GR doesn't say that it might touch a foundation document, it doesn't do. It might be nice if the constitution (or some

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:19:15AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the resolution: -- Reaffirmation of the social contract - priorities are our users and the free software community We, Debian, reaffirm that our

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
To: to debian-devel removed Andreas Barth wrote: * Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040505 14:10]: --- The Debian project resolves that it will not compromise on freedom, and will never knowingly issue another release (excluding point updates to stable releases) that contains

Re: Proposal G (was: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003)

2004-06-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* John H. Robinson, IV ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040601 20:55]: To: to debian-devel removed Andreas Barth wrote: * Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040505 14:10]: --- The Debian project resolves that it will not compromise on freedom, and will never knowingly issue another release

Re: Proposal - Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-06-01 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 06:22:09PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: In my opinion it's as this: - If a GR has normal majority, and does not conflict with a foundation document, it's ok. Until the vote is held, it's not reasonable to act on any specific outcome for the vote -- we can't know