Re: What your ballot should look like if you're in favor of releasing sarge

2004-06-25 Thread Frank Küster
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's just so totally American. Aha. The united states' incarnation of Gassners Law. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster, Biozentrum der Univ. Basel Abt. Biophysikalische Chemie

Re: Discussions in Debian

2004-06-25 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:13, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 12:57:08AM +0200, David N. Welton wrote: I don't know what it is about your style of comunication, but it reminds me more of debate club than rational discussion in search of a common ground. The

Re: Discussions in Debian

2004-06-25 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:58:45PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:13, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 12:57:08AM +0200, David N. Welton wrote: I don't know what it is about your style of comunication, but it reminds me more of debate

Re: What your ballot should look like if you're in favor of releasing sarge

2004-06-25 Thread Andreas Barth
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040624 23:10]: I have no interest in blaming people for the present state of affairs -- not AJ, not my co-sponsors of 003 -- only in getting things situated so we can get back to our job of releasing the most complete Free OS that ever existed (whatever

Re: What your ballot should look like if you're in favor of releasing sarge

2004-06-25 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-06-25 06:15:22 +0100 Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:42:04AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: That's just so totally American. Now there's the ad hominem attack you keep referring to. Actually, it looks just plain offensive from here it's wrong, and

Re: What your ballot should look like if you're in favor of releasing sarge

2004-06-25 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 05:11:47PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: The current vote will determine what the majority of voters think. Hopefully that will be the end of it. Not likely. The last vote determined what 3/4 of the voters thought, and people weren't willing to let

Re: What your ballot should look like if you're in favor of releasing sarge

2004-06-25 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:42:04AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: Ah, so suddenly you're not allowed to discuss issues in case you cause anybody to change their mind. That really is what Manoj has been complaining about. No. -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: Discussions in Debian

2004-06-25 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:25:28AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: [You have quite neatly just demonstrated what argumentum ad hominem actually is, though]. On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 03:05:08PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Do you have that phrase on a macro key yet? He was right that time.

Re: What your ballot should look like if you're in favor of releasing sarge

2004-06-25 Thread Andreas Barth
* Josip Rodin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040625 13:25]: On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 05:11:47PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: The current vote will determine what the majority of voters think. Hopefully that will be the end of it. Not likely. The last vote determined what 3/4 of the

Re: What your ballot should look like if you're in favor of releasing sarge

2004-06-25 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 01:30:03PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: I don't recall you complaining at the time about the title or description. Perhaps because nobody ever hinted that the resolution would cause the release manager to change things? Heck, I didn't see any hints that the

Re: Discussions in Debian

2004-06-25 Thread Raul Miller
He was right that time. On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 02:07:04PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: No, he wasn't. An ad hominem argument appeals to non-rational things, whereas Hamish pointed out two facts: that Andrew started two general resolutions and that both of them were rather divisive. I believe

Re: What your ballot should look like if you're in favor of releasing sarge

2004-06-25 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 01:30:03PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Anthony himself told that very plain on -vote, but in a mail in the non-free-removal thread that was killfiled at that time by most people reading -vote. Oh come on, don't tell me I have to follow -vote as well now? That

Second Call for votes: General resolution: Sarge Release Schedule in view of GR 2004-003

2004-06-25 Thread Debian Project Secretary
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 == Voting starts on Friday, June 18th, 23:59:59 UTC, 2004 Votes must be received by Friday, July 2nd, 23:59:59 UTC, 2004

Re: Discussions in Debian

2004-06-25 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 01:25:46PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: He was right that time. On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 02:07:04PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: No, he wasn't. An ad hominem argument appeals to non-rational things, whereas Hamish pointed out two facts: that Andrew started two general

Re: GR: Alternative editorial changes to the SC

2004-06-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 06:53:42PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 03:03:27PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 03:55:48PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: The policy decision's at http://people.debian.org/~ajt/sarge_rc_policy.txt: ] Code in main and contrib

Re: DFSG#10

2004-06-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 12:52:46PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: The Social Contract does not say: Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software and Some Other Things That Aren't Software But Which Are Also Free But Meet a Different Definition Of Free Than That Which Applies to Software, Plus