Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread MJ Ray
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] On occasion, nastiness can be very efficient no matter > how much you wish it weren't so. [...] In a dozen years, I've not been part of a volunteer project where nastiness brought better results. Results are needed, but SPI's not a for-profit comp

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Still, pleasant attitude, egalitarianism and nurturing can all improve > productivity. They just can't be a replacement for knowledge, skill or > discipline. If "pleasant environment" becomes the priority over results then > failure is certain. But

Re: *sigh*

2005-02-21 Thread Ean Schuessler
Hey buddy! You want some too! I... uh... let me see. Well, sadly, I'm fresh out. On Monday 21 February 2005 6:23 pm, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >From the "WHAT DID YOU CALL MY MUM?!?" department, > > The new meaning of Debian Jr. > > Brought to you by Brainfood and Branden Robinson. > > ... > > Ple

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread Ean Schuessler
Blaming operational failures on emotional factors is a recurring theme in both Debian and SPI. Operational results are by no means the guaranteed result of a good vibes culture. On occasion, nastiness can be very efficient no matter how much you wish it weren't so. Still, pleasant attitude, ega

*sigh*

2005-02-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
>From the "WHAT DID YOU CALL MY MUM?!?" department, The new meaning of Debian Jr. Brought to you by Brainfood and Branden Robinson. ... Please, guys. I think it's pretty clear to everyone involved now that Branden Robinson and Ean Schuessler don't really, uh, like eachother all that much. Such

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread MJ Ray
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 21 February 2005 1:38 pm, MJ Ray wrote: [...] > > In general, status reports seem few and far between in the > > minutes. Aren't they meant to be part of the normal order of > > business under the SPI by-laws? As you were so happy to point > > o

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 01:15:42PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > You want a line-by-line of each expenditure? You aren't going to get These actually are often posted by Jimmy or Branden to spi-private. They are not posted to spi-general due to privacy concerns. -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There is improvement. The reports are vastly more informative than > the complete lack of information we had seen previously. However, > there is still no line-item information on how SPI is receiving and > spending project monies, just high-level summa

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Monday 21 February 2005 2:26 pm, John Goerzen wrote: > In a nutshell: > > 1. A regular treasurer's budget has been established > > 2. The treasurer has adopted a more informative reporting system > > 3. An assistant treasurer (Branden) has been selected > > 4. Banking is now done in a more conve

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Monday 21 February 2005 1:38 pm, MJ Ray wrote: > When you were appointed President in July 2003, Branden had > found an accountant to help with the work. From the minutes, it > seems the SPI board did not revisit this topic before Branden's > resignation is mentioned in January 2004. By May 200

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 11:39:16AM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: > You guys knew this was coming. When I shelved this flamewar months ago I made > it clear that the problem would be revisited at a future date. That future > date is here and I want to know how SPI has corrected its accounting > pr

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You guys knew this was coming. When I shelved this flamewar months > ago I made it clear that the problem would be revisited at a future > date. That future date is here and I want to know how SPI has > corrected its accounting problems. I want to know

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The obfuscation continues! Let's not get caught up in the actual > problems I'm trying to put on the table. Let's stay focused on the > fact that discussing mistakes and the efforts to correct them makes > you persona non grata. I don't think Branden h

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread MJ Ray
Ean Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The obfuscation continues! Let's not get caught up in the actual problems I'm > trying to put on the table. Let's stay focused on the fact that discussing > mistakes and the efforts to correct them makes you persona non grata. When you were appointed P

Fwd: [Fwd: Re: Invoice #3603 from Brainfood Inc.]

2005-02-21 Thread Ean Schuessler
FYI, Here is the "naggy, grousing email" that my Mother sent SPI. This is, by the way, the *only* reminder we sent SPI in the six month period it took SPI to pay its bill. Huzzah! -- Ean Schuessler, CTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214-720-0700 x 315 Brainfood, Inc. http://www.brainfood.com --- Begin Me

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread Ean Schuessler
You guys knew this was coming. When I shelved this flamewar months ago I made it clear that the problem would be revisited at a future date. That future date is here and I want to know how SPI has corrected its accounting problems. I want to know the filing procedures. I want to know why I can't

Re: Vote Robinson for DPL!

2005-02-21 Thread Ean Schuessler
On Sunday 20 February 2005 5:23 am, Martin Schulze wrote: > Ironically, he did so in a relatively small forum without public archive > (iirc) but you brought the issue up yourself on a mailing list, with > 400 > people subscribe and a public archive that will end up on Google. > > So, if you only w