Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:27:12PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > Proponents of various various amendments to the GR should feel > free to send me a couple of paragraphs in HTML markup to > introduce/explain the resolutions they are proposing. Feel free to > include external l

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-18 Thread Anibal Monsalve Salazar
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:07:18PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > == BEGIN PROPOSAL = > > The Free Software movement is about enabling users to modify the works > that they use on their computer; about giving users the same > information that copyright ho

Re: Proposal: Source code is important for all works in Debian, and required for programmatic ones

2006-09-18 Thread Don Armstrong
Because there appears to be some residual confusion[1][2][3] about what I actually proposed and its content, here is the proposal as it currently stands. The proposal is only the content between BEGIN PROPOSAL and END PROPOSAL. == BEGIN PROPOSAL = The F

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Debian Project Secretary
Hi, On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:05:32 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Proponents of various various amendments to the GR should feel free >> to send me a couple of paragraphs in HTML markup to >> introduce/explain the resolutions they ar

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Proponents of various various amendments to the GR should feel free > to send me a couple of paragraphs in HTML markup to > introduce/explain the resolutions they are proposing. Feel free to > include external links to more extensice body of supporting

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Proponents of various various amendments to the GR should feel free to send me a couple of paragraphs in HTML markup to introduce/explain the resolutions they are proposing. Feel free to include external links to more extensice body of supporting material in the paragraphs you send

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:46:50 -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:03:11 -0700, Steve Langasek >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 05:32:10PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> Which is it, a

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 05:32:10PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:36:17 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > For the record, this is not the full text of the votable resolution > > which I proposed; the preceding text was preambulatory text, not > > rationa

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:03:11 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 05:32:10PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> Which is it, a preamble to the resolution, or the resolution > >> itself? > > > It is a preamble, a

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:03:11 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 05:32:10PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:36:17 -0700, Steve Langasek >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > For the record, this is not the full text of the votable >> > r

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:03:11 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 05:32:10PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:36:17 -0700, Steve Langasek >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > For the record, this is not the full text of the votable >> > r

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:36:17 -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > For the record, this is not the full text of the votable resolution > which I proposed; the preceding text was preambulatory text, not > rationale, and was submitted as part of the resolution itself. Which is

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Josselin Mouette
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 01:42:14PM -0500, Debian Project Secretaru wrote: > ## > ## >GR

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 06:36:16PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote: > What I not have see is a voting option like > > [ ] Just document how to (re)build with non free drivers. > > I would like to see such an option. My main reason for it is > my main reason for investing time in Debian: Free Softwa

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le lun 18 septembre 2006 20:42, Debian Project Secretaru a écrit : > GR Amendment 3: Special exception to DFSG #2 for firmware > > From: Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:37:20 +0200 I second that proposal made by josselin mouette ag

Re: The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 01:42:14PM -0500, Debian Project Secretaru wrote: > , > | THE DEBIAN PROJECT therefore, > | 1. reaffirms its dedication to providing a 100% free system to > |our users according to our Social Contract and the DFSG; and > | 2. encourages author

The Sourceless software in the kernel source GR

2006-09-18 Thread Debian Project Secretaru
Hi, I have gone through the last couple of months of mail archives, and came up with the current state of the proposals we have before us. As I see it; there are two solid amendments, and an iffy third one, and a slew of proposals that have not yet gathered enough seconds to make it to

Re: non-free firmware and d-i

2006-09-18 Thread Geert Stappers
Hello People at -vote, At the mailinglist -boot was this message: On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 11:35:51AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Joey Hess wrote: > > > > d-i already supports driver disks, see floppy-retriever and the code in > > hw-detect to prompt for a driver floppy if necessary hardwar

Re: Proposal - Defer discussion about SC and firmware until after the Etch release

2006-09-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:09:14AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > I think you're wrong here, unless you're using an unusual definition > of "distributable". The usual definition used by debian-legal is "We have > explicit legal permission to distribute it." If you were right, we wouldn't > hav

Re: Draft ballot for the assets constitutional GR

2006-09-18 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:56:02 +0100, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Note that this is a draft, voting is not yet open. Any comments >>> need to be in fast, though. > >> Could you name the amendment on the ballot, please? "

Re: Proposal - Defer discussion about SC and firmware until after the Etchrelease

2006-09-18 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Frederik Schueler wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 08:59:59PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> is to drop support (in whole or in part) for >> Broadcom NX2, Sun Cassini(+), Both nondistributable firmware anyway look, what list should this discussion be on? Can someone forward

Re: Proposal - Defer discussion about SC and firmware until after the Etch release

2006-09-18 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 01:47:18AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: >> The project acknowledges that a lot of progress has been made with regard >> to the removal from the distribution (main) of "software" that could be >> considered non-free given the current wording of the Social

Re: Proposal - Defer discussion about SC and firmware until after the Etch release

2006-09-18 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Note: for purposes of discussion, I will use the term "firmware" to refer to the binary executables loaded into various peripherals by the Linux kernel. Properly speaking these are *not* firmware -- if they have to be loaded at every boot, they're not firm, they're just software -- but that's anot