Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 10:19:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > , > | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software > | community (Social Contract #4); > | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel > | firmware issue; howeve

Re: Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-27 Thread BALLABIO GERARDO
Martin Schulze wrote: > > > Technically, if Aj is deposed, steve will be as well. And as I said, > > > if Aj is retiring from dunc-tank, then Steve's position has to be > > > clarified in a second stage IMHO yes. Nothing has been done "against" > > > Steve's position as DPL-Assistant, especial

Re: State of the GR's: Part 2 - Position statement on the DPL and Dunc-Tank

2006-09-27 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 03:07:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > As I currently understand it, the position statement GR > regarding the project leader and Dunc-Tank has adequate numbers of > seconds; and received enough seconds on the 21st of September. > > This is a

Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:21:21AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > Two questions here. > First, this means that this proposal needs seconds, right ? Or can Frederik > just incorporate it into his proposal ? Frederik does have the option of incorporating it into his proposal, in which case all of the

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-27 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 04:02:11PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > As I mentioned previously, I don't think point 3. here is the compromise I > would like to see. "Without further conditions" is so broad that it seems > to even *require* us to include firmware in main that lacks any sort of

Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:06:50AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:21:21AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > Two questions here. > > > First, this means that this proposal needs seconds, right ? Or can Frederik > > just incorporate it into his proposal ? > > Frederik does ha

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:36:37AM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 04:02:11PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > As I mentioned previously, I don't think point 3. here is the compromise I > > would like to see. "Without further conditions" is so broad that it se

Re: Splitting out Choice #1 from vote_004

2006-09-27 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 26 septembre 2006 à 17:46 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > I know I'm nitpicking, but isn't this whole thread about nitpicking? > > ;) > > I don't know about you, bit for me this thread is about > getting the right thing done, and getting the general resolutions > resolved.

Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread Frank Küster
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:45:14AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: >> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > I am asking Frederik to accept this >> > amendment, failing which, I am also seeking formal seconds for this. >> >> I would prefer that F

Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:39:57PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:45:14AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > >> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > I am asking Frederik to accept this > >> > amendment, failing wh

Re: Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread BALLABIO GERARDO
Frederik Schueler wrote: > this means we actually have to review all licenses before the release, Indeed, I have been under the impression that *every* maintainer must *always* check that *all* the files they are packaging are properly licensed and distributable by Debian. I must have been wrong?

Re: Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread BALLABIO GERARDO
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > | as long as we are legally allowed to do so, and the formware is > | distributed under a DFSG free license. This needs to be made clearer. I assume that your intention is to say "GPL'd (or otherwise DFSG-free licensed) firmware without source is allowed, but e

Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le mer 27 septembre 2006 14:16, BALLABIO GERARDO a écrit : > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > | as long as we are legally allowed to do so, and the formware > > | is distributed under a DFSG free license. > > This needs to be made clearer. > > I assume that your intention is to say "GPL'd (or other

Re: Re: Call for votes

2006-09-27 Thread BALLABIO GERARDO
Pierre Habouzit wrote: > It seems that your MUA does use neither In-Reply-To: nor References: > headers. That breaks threads and makes a lot of noise. Please change > your MUA (or MTA? as it seems that's because your mail goes through > Exchange), or stop posting here. That makes your mails espe

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:36:37AM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 04:02:11PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > As I mentioned previously, I don't think point 3. here is the compromise I > > would like to see. "Without further conditions" is so broad that it se

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-27 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2006-09-27, Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 11:36:37AM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: >> 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel firmware >> issue; however, it is not yet finally sorted out; > > So, what progress has been made? All firmw

[AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I was not aware that Frederik's proposal was for the Debian project to give carte blanche to the kernel team to distribute whatever the upstream kernel has, even if it is a major regression in the freedom from the kernel released in Sarge. Indeed, not agreeing to only distr

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-27 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello, On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > , > | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software > | community (Social Contract #4); > | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel > | firmware issue; however, i

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-27 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > , > | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software > | community (Social Contract #4); > | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel > | firmware issue; however, it is not

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-27 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > , > | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software > | community (Social Contract #4); > | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel > | firmware issue; however, it is not

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 09:53:58PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > > , > > | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software > > | community (Social Contract #4); > > | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel > > | firmware issue; howeve

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-27 Thread Raul Miller
On 9/26/06, Denis Barbier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 09:02:19PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > I don't understand how this proposal answers the question. > > One answer implied by your proposal: "Dunc-tank is > grounds for removing Debian's leader, that means it > is a debia