Re: Summary? (Or: my vote is for sale!)

2006-10-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 07:53:27PM -0700, Jurij Smakov wrote: > On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 10:48:10PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > That said, the kernel team meeting on saturday evening resulted in what will > > probably be a new proposal, and at the same time a nice summary of the > > changes. S

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-10-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 12:38:45AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: > Of course this is your decision, but for the record I would be glad if > you make use of your Super Powers so that we can vote soon, I do not see > the need for more discussion. As per <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on -project, the minimum d

Re: Proposal - Defer discussion about SC and firmware until after the Etch release

2006-10-02 Thread Nathanael Nerode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sven Luther wrote: > On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 10:09:14AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >> I think you're wrong here, unless you're using an unusual definition >> of "distributable". The usual definition used by debian-legal is "We have >> explicit leg

Re: Summary? (Or: my vote is for sale!)

2006-10-02 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 10:48:10PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > That said, the kernel team meeting on saturday evening resulted in what will > probably be a new proposal, and at the same time a nice summary of the > changes. Stay tuned for more infos. Sven, nobody besides you on the kernel team s

Re: Summary? (Or: my vote is for sale!)

2006-10-02 Thread Don Armstrong
low the path having the least danger of adverse > reactions from others, and therefore to vote "further discussion" > since a yes vote and a further discussion vote, IMO, are logically > equivalent. Jacobo Tarrío Barreiro sums up my feelings perfectly: > http://raw-output.org/200

Re: Summary? (Or: my vote is for sale!)

2006-10-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:38:44 -0700, Kevin B McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > As I understand what's going on, instead of having a single vote > with all the firmware-related options laid out on the ballot, we are > apparently going to have a series of votes about related topics (GR > 2006/004

Re: Summary? (Or: my vote is for sale!)

2006-10-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:03:11 +0200, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Monday 02 October 2006 21:36, Adrian von Bidder wrote: >> About the "my vote is on sale" bit: I sell my vote against such a >> summary. Meaning: If I am satisfied by the summary I will vote how >> I think best. Otherwise

Re: Summary? (Or: my vote is for sale!)

2006-10-02 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
iscussion" since a yes vote and a further discussion vote, IMO, are logically equivalent. Jacobo Tarrío Barreiro sums up my feelings perfectly: http://raw-output.org/20061002/status-quo-ante-bellum Do you have an argument to persuade me otherwise? > Finally, as far as etch is conce

Re: Summary? (Or: my vote is for sale!)

2006-10-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006, Kevin B. McCarty wrote: > Regarding the specific ballot on 2006/004, can anyone tell me how > passing it would change ANYTHING of import, other than annoying one > of the RMs [1]? Points B and D are "recommends" and "requests" so > aside from Debian taking a public stand on the

Re: Summary? (Or: my vote is for sale!)

2006-10-02 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
I wrote: > I am very tempted to vote Further Discussion (with the hope that it will > actually result in *no* further discussion), as a protest of the mess > that has been made out of this issue, on all ballots related to firmware. Just to make things clear, I am in no way blaming the secretary f

Re: Summary? (Or: my vote is for sale!)

2006-10-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 09:36:09PM +0200, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > Yodel! > > With the first (?) CfV out now about non-free kernel firmwares: The current GR to vote is nothing but the status quo, so further discussion will not change anything one way or the other. That said, the kernel team me

Re: Summary? (Or: my vote is for sale!)

2006-10-02 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
Adrian von Bidder wrote: > I'm not going to vote, sorry. I don't have the time to wade through tons of > mailing list archives, of which 1/3 is repetitions of previously made > statements, 1/3 is presumably flames or close to it, and 1/3 is trivial > corrections, with the few substantial argum

Re: Summary? (Or: my vote is for sale!)

2006-10-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 October 2006 21:36, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > About the "my vote is on sale" bit: I sell my vote against such a > summary. Meaning: If I am satisfied by the summary I will vote how I > think best. Otherwise, I don't intend to vote. I might be biased towards > what kernel/installer/re

Summary? (Or: my vote is for sale!)

2006-10-02 Thread Adrian von Bidder
Yodel! With the first (?) CfV out now about non-free kernel firmwares: I'm not going to vote, sorry. I don't have the time to wade through tons of mailing list archives, of which 1/3 is repetitions of previously made statements, 1/3 is presumably flames or close to it, and 1/3 is trivial corr

Re: The current GR

2006-10-02 Thread MJ Ray
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The work is anthropomorphized there; [...] Please don't anthropomorphise the work. It hates that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: State of the GR's: Part 2 - Position statement on the DPL and Dunc-Tank

2006-10-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 02 octobre 2006 à 12:10 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > A reasonable person might not like what the DPL did,. and > might not want to support him, but might not consider it warranting a > recall. > > So, a person might want to a) not recall, not affirm, > b) not r

Re: State of the GR's: Part 2 - Position statement on the DPL and Dunc-Tank

2006-10-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:22:51 +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 03:07:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> As I currently understand it, the position statement GR regarding >> the project leader and Dunc-Tank has adequate numbers of seconds; >> and recei

Re: Another proposal

2006-10-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 12:17:42AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > == Reaffirm support for Anthony Towns as the Project Leader == > The Debian project reaffirms support to Anthony Towns as the Debian > Project Leader. However, it doesn't endorse nor support any projects Mr > Towns may lead or pa

Re: Another proposal

2006-10-02 Thread Aurelien Jarno
> == Reaffirm support for Anthony Towns as the Project Leader == > > The Debian project reaffirms support to Anthony Towns as the Debian > Project Leader. However, it doesn't endorse nor support any projects Mr > Towns may lead or participate in outside Debian. Seconded -- .''`. Aurelien

Re: The current GR

2006-10-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 01 Oct 2006, Sven Luther wrote: > i doubt that this was intented, and i am very curious about how such > a work can indeed be distributing sources. The work is anthropomorphized there; unless the work is an AI (or has Affero-like code) it obviously can't do the distribution itself; agents