Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > If that impression is accurate, it means the DPL is not making
> > "decisions which are consistent with the consensus of the opinions of
> > the Developers" as he was elected to do. That is to say: this trouble
> > is
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Consensus as used in these sorts of discussions and documents is not
>> synonymous with unanimity. It is consensus in the vein of M-W's 1(b)
>> definition: "the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned > consens
also sprach Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.10.31.0533 +0100]:
> Uh, 80/20 would generally be a consensus.
Ah, if this is the misunderstanding: the infamous 80/20 rule
(Pareto's principle) in this case meant: 20% of the participants of
the discusionss make 80% of the noise.
http://en.wikip
also sprach MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.10.30.1107 +0100]:
> If that impression is accurate, it means the DPL is not making
> "decisions which are consistent with the consensus of the opinions
> of the Developers" as he was elected to do. That is to say: this
> trouble is partly the DPL's fau
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> also sprach MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.10.30.1107 +0100]:
> > If that impression is accurate, it means the DPL is not making
> > "decisions which are consistent with the consensus of the opinions
> > of the Developers" as he was elected to do. That is to
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We need consensus in the vein of M-W's 1(a) definition "general
> > agreement : UNANIMITY" and 2 definition "group solidarity in sentiment
> > and belief" to get the biggest
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> outweigh a screaming crowd in the IETF process. We have seen reasoned
> objections to several DPL decisions, yet the screaming crowd is used to
> drown out calls for consensus. This DPL hasn't even looked for rough
> consensus on some issues, as far as I've se
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> That's certainly someting to strive for, but I don't think it's a
>> practical *requirement* in an organization the size of Debian. I do
>> agree that we shouldn't easily give up on trying to reach that form of
>> str
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