On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 10:25:24AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le dimanche 04 mars 2007 à 10:21 +0100, Andreas Barth a écrit :
> > I hope you realize that your blog posts were one of the reasons why I
> > reduced the time I spend on the release dramatically. It is just
> > frustrating if peopl
Aigars Mahinovs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * from the negative side we can see that Debian does not like money. In
> particular two things come to mind - Debian as a project should not pay
> people (any payments must be totally separate from Debian) and Debian
> does not necessary trust the paid
Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 14:52 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit :
> Criticise, yes. Mock, no.
If I understand your opinion, Greg Folkert's way of criticising people
is acceptable, while Sam's is not. Is that correct?
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Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
>> Was that a purposeful attempt to dodge the GNAA question, or did you not
>> understand the question?
>By the way, I hope you are not mistaking me with the individual who
[...]
OK, now I'm curious... We had D
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 02:52:32PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 14:52 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit :
> > Criticise, yes. Mock, no.
>
> If I understand your opinion, Greg Folkert's way of criticising people
> is acceptable, while Sam's is not. Is that correct?
Greg isn'
Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Does your "no compensation" clarification mean that it is not as
> unacceptable to mock people for doing things they like if they do get
> compensated?
Well, if *I* get compensated enough, I'm willing to be mocked :) So
yes, I find it somewhat more acce
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
> Was that a purposeful attempt to dodge the GNAA question, or did you not
> understand the question?
By the way, I hope you are not mistaking me with the individual who
co-founded ButtesNet, is part of or has ties with the ANUS, Bantown and
GNAA troll
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm getting pissed off by this attitude of many free software
> developers, who think that no one has the right to criticise their work,
> because they are volunteers.
Criticise, yes. Mock, no.
I'll define the terms, just to be clear:
Criticise: To
Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 13:58 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit :
> This attitude is the very single one that I absolutely hate in
> volunteer organizations. Why should you get mocked for doing things
> you like with no compensation? What moral right do the mockers have?
I'm getting pissed off by this
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If I understand your opinion, Greg Folkert's way of criticising people
> is acceptable, while Sam's is not. Is that correct?
I don't have a ready-made opinion on either Greg or Sam, I haven't
really read that many opinions by either. I took a quick lo
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When you are in a visible position in a group, you are also in the
> position to be mocked, and it's something people should get used to.
This attitude is the very single one that I absolutely hate in
volunteer organizations. Why should you get mocked
Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 01:16 -0800, Steve Langasek a écrit :
> On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 10:25:24AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > I hope you realize Sam's blog posts were one of the reasons why I was
> > able to keep up the time I spend on Debian. It is just so much better
> > when the work you
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > When you are in a visible position in a group, you are also in the
> > position to be mocked, and it's something people should get used to.
>
> This attitude is the very single one that I absolutely hate
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 08:29:30AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > > Why did we do SCC for then ?
> > So that we could cope with the increasing size of the archive.
> The announce mentioned the possibility to add some suites due to that. It
> didn't mention the possibility to add new architecture
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > There is nothing like a moral right to mock people, just like there is
> > nothing like a moral right not to be mocked.
>
> Research[1] has shown that one of the primary factors deterring women
> from
Hi Steve,
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Which release-critical bug will each of you fix in order to convince me to
> vote for you? :)
I just fixed #413506. I used to monitor the RC bugs related to the python
transition but there are no more such bugs currently.
I just make sure t
[It's not entirely clear whether you want everyone to reply to this, or
just Aigars. I'm answering anyway, just to be on the safe side :) ]
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:32:03PM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> QUESTION 1:
>
> Some DDs expressed those views and some candidates seem to be interpreting
> this a
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is nothing like a moral right to mock people, just like there is
> nothing like a moral right not to be mocked.
Research[1] has shown that one of the primary factors deterring women
from involvement in free software is the perceived hostility of
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 12:29:58AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 08:29:30AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > > > Why did we do SCC for then ?
> > > So that we could cope with the increasing size of the archive.
> > The announce mentioned the possibility to add some suites d
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Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 15:05 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit :
> Well, if *I* get compensated enough, I'm willing to be mocked :) So
> yes, I find it somewhat more acceptable.
>
> As a semi-RL example, I've been thinking about a game fee for sports
> officials: travel costs plus 20 euros per each in
MJ Ray wrote:
> Aigars Mahinovs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> * from the negative side we can see that Debian does not like money. In
>> particular two things come to mind - Debian as a project should not pay
>> people (any payments must be totally separate from Debian) and Debian
>> does not neces
Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> There is nothing like a moral right to mock people, just like there is
>> nothing like a moral right not to be mocked.
>
> Research[1] has shown that one of the primary factors deterring women
> from involvement in free sof
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 01:41:09PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There is nothing like a moral right to mock people, just like there is
> > nothing like a moral right not to be mocked.
>
> Research[1] has shown that one of the primary factors deter
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 06:52:14PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 01:41:09PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > There is nothing like a moral right to mock people, just like there is
> > > nothing like a moral right not to be
Anthony Towns writes:
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 08:29:30AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>> And if you think that some of those goals are not reached,
> I would much rather be swept off my feet by how clearly the goals have
> been reached, beyond my wildest expectations. Surely if kfreebsd is
>
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Research[1] has shown that one of the primary factors deterring women
> from involvement in free software is the perceived hostility of many of
> the communities. Do candidates believe that mocking of other members of
> the project is acceptable[2], g
Hello,
Holger Levsen wrote:
> DebConf, the annual Debian Developers Conference, is currently not officially
> affiliated with Debian (or SPI) and its not listed on
> http://www.debian.org/intro/organization
> Do you think DebConf should have an official endorsement with Debian and how
> do yo
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 01:41:09PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>
>Research[1] has shown that one of the primary factors deterring women
>from involvement in free software is the perceived hostility of many of
>the communities. Do candidates believe that mocking of other members of
>the project is
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:[...]
> [It's not entirely clear whether you want everyone to reply to this, or
> just Aigars. [...] ]
Sorry. I'm interested in replies from any candidates. I'll leave the
questions untrimmed below, just in case.
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:32:03PM +00
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 10:33:40AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> kfreebsd is working at least as well as hurd.
I would have said better, currently.
Hurd's sat in the archive for almost a decade without without managing a
release or, as far as I've seen, being a feasible alternative operating
sys
Anthony Towns writes:
> I'd love to be proved wrong on kfreebsd's value to users and the project.
I'm having a hard time figuring out, from this thread, what would
constitute proof for you. Are you looking specifically for high popcon
numbers? Lots of developers stepping forward and saying the
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 01:41:22PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 13:58 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit :
> > This attitude is the very single one that I absolutely hate in
> > volunteer organizations. Why should you get mocked for doing things
> > you like with no compensati
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
> >> Was that a purposeful attempt to dodge the GNAA question, or did you
> >> not
> >> understand the question?
> >By the way, I hope you are not mistaking
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 06:09:24PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> There's a difference between criticizing someone's work, and being an
> insufferable prick.
Are you referring to Frans or AJ when you say that?
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On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 06:18:56PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Anthony Towns writes:
> > I'd love to be proved wrong on kfreebsd's value to users and the project.
> I'd personally find it frustrating and demoralizing if, after working
> really hard on a project for quite some time, I asked for it
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