Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread Fabian Fagerholm
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 08:28 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Because the meta-license of the GPL is *not* free, as you pointed > out. The licenses are free, because they grant the right freedoms for > a work when applied to that work. The license texts are not free, > because they do not have those same

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread Ben Finney
Fabian Fagerholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The meta-license of the GPL is part of the text of the GPL. The DFSG > doesn't say: only part of the GPL is considered "free". It says that > the GPL, as a whole, including the meta-license, is considered > "free". The context of that statement is th

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread Lasse Reichstein Nielsen
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:44:30 +0200, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm curious to know how you reconcile Social Contract §1 and DFSG §3, and the fact that we distribute non-modifiable texts in Debian. Easy. DFSG §3 talks about the software, and a license is not software - neither so

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread MJ Ray
Lasse Reichstein Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Easy. DFSG ?3 talks about the software, and a license is not software - > neither source not binary. [...] If it wasn't software, it couldn't be in the distribution - we have no way to distribute non-software. Why the blazes merge two unrela

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread Fabian Fagerholm
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 18:13 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > The context of that statement is the GPL as a license, not as a > work. The license, applied to another work, is free. > > The GPL as a work, however, is *not* free, since the license on that > work does not grant the requisite freedoms. Surel

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread Russ Allbery
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I remain of the opinion that this GR would be pointless because even if > we were permitted by licences to modify the licences, we are prevented > by copyright law and our promises from modifying any relevant licences. > We would still be open to accusations of