Re: Question for all candidates: inter-dependancy of works the growing Debian project.

2008-03-13 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 13/03/2008, Paul Wise wrote: Untrue, you just need to get your package whitelisted since non-free packages may not be legal to autobuild. You need to contact aba IIRC. Not sure why you don't know about this, nor where the best place to store this information is, perhaps the NM templates

Re: Question for all candidates: inter-dependancy of works the growing Debian project.

2008-03-13 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:07:30AM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : Le Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 09:50:27AM +0900, Paul Wise a écrit : On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (building non-free on official autobuilders is not allowed). Untrue, you just

Re: Question for all candidates: Handling declassification of debian-private (GR 2005-02)

2008-03-13 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 03:21:23PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Fabian Fagerholm wrote: If you were elected DPL for the next term, what would you do about this GR and when? How would you ensure that the declassification can happen

Re: Question for all candidates: inter-dependancy of works the growing Debian project.

2008-03-13 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Charles Plessy wrote: (And since this thread is supposed to be questions for the DPL candidates, I will add one: some time ago, a DD was sending emails on -devel whenever the discussion was offtopic, to ask for it to be transferred or stopped: what do you think of this

Re: Q: Marc Brockschmidt: tight-knitted groups of friends

2008-03-13 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Clint Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your platform contains the following claim: This can hardly be solved from the outside - but a start would be to not defame these groups as evil cabals hindering the rest of the project out of spite. Why can this not be solved from the outside? One

Re: Q: Marc Brockschmidt: tight-knitted groups of friends

2008-03-13 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Thursday 13 March 2008, Clint Adams wrote: How will not defaming contribute to a solution? I thought that one obvious: defaming makes people feel attacked, and thus encourages flaming and reacting on an emotional basis instead (or in addition to) a rational one. - it's not so much that

Re: Q: Raphaë l Hertzog: dpkg / collab-maint

2008-03-13 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Clint, On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Clint Adams wrote: Why isn't dpkg in collab-maint on Alioth? Why should it be or not be? dpkg has been maintained in various VCS repositories since 1999 (CVS, then arch, then SVN, and now Git), it's a natural choice for a software maintained and further developed

Re: Q: Raphaë l Hertzog: dpkg / collab-maint

2008-03-13 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote: It's important to have quality and consistency in the work done on such a package and thus it's good that the maintainers in charge can selectively grant (and revoke) write rights to the repository. Following a remark on IRC, it's also important to

Re: Q: Raphaë l Hertzog: dpkg / collab-maint

2008-03-13 Thread Julien Cristau
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:14:22 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Furthermore the average skillset of the DD includes packaging while it doesn't necessarily include programming and maintaining a complex piece of software like dpkg. Doesn't the average skillset of a DD include knowing not to

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:37:46 +1000, Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 06:54:50PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: And, just to make things personal, I submit that one of the problems is AJ. Because, of course, making things personal is definitely what the technical

Re: Q: Raphaë l Hertzog: dpkg / collab-maint

2008-03-13 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Julien Cristau wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:14:22 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Furthermore the average skillset of the DD includes packaging while it doesn't necessarily include programming and maintaining a complex piece of software like dpkg. Doesn't the

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, For the record, I have already engaged in this get new blood into the ctte experiment, conducted two years ag, when I championed the new inductees into the ctte. I must say, the track record of new blood has been, in my opinion, mostly positive, but the overall

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:36:38PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think the committee would be worse off without you; and I find it fundamentally disturbing that any of the founding members are still members ten years later. I think this sentence

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's two fundamental things that persuade me. First, change doesn't just happen, it takes people to cause it; and different people will cause different changes. The current crop of people have had their go -- all the current members have been on the

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:01:01 +1000, Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It takes a _lot_ to remove someone for cause in Debian -- see the DPL recall vote, or any of the expulsions we've had, or any of the groups that haven't changed membership for a while in spite of complaints about the

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Julien Cristau writes (Re: Technical committee resolution): On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 20:03:57 -0400, Hubert Chathi wrote: OK, the rest of your mail sounds somewhat reasonable, to an outsider who has no experience whatsoever with TC, but ... given that the TC often deals with contentious

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Technical committee resolution): Redoing the new blood thing once again is unlikely to have much of an effect, really. I think we need to find some of the root causes of the malaise that affects this institution, and fix that, rather than rampaging

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Anthony Towns writes (Re: Technical committee resolution): Well, if you assume change isn't going to change anything, then, well, I guess you've got your conclusion. That's a completely wrongheaded way of looking at it. We (Manoj, Russ, I, and perhaps others) are not opposed to change. It must

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread Frans Pop
Ian Jackson wrote: Well, I said We should be removing TC members who are ... often wrong. I'm sure everyone will agree with that statement put like that. My opinion comes into it when I ask myself `who is ... often wrong'. And I don't expect anyone has a very different definition of

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Let me get this straight. The argument is that since it is hard to remove people for cause in Debian, let us just start removing people at random, even if they are performing well, and maybe, sometime, somehow, that change may lead to

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:07:09 +, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Let me get this straight. The argument is that since it is hard to remove people for cause in Debian, let us just start removing people at random, even if they are performing

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 06:32:13PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: An alternative is to throw out the member who is youngest. No, that would again ensure stagnancy in the group, with the older members being permanently appointed. Or use birth month to throw out Likewise. -- the

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 09:12:54AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Redoing the new blood thing once again is unlikely to have much of an effect, really. I think we need to find some of the root causes of the malaise that affects this institution, and fix that, rather than rampaging

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-13 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 08:25:40AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:37:46 +1000, Anthony Towns said: On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 06:54:50PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: And, just to make things personal, I submit that one of the problems is AJ. Because, of course, making