Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008

2008-04-13 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 08:15:36PM -0500, Debian Project Secretary wrote: The last time we had such a low turn out was in 2001, and then we only had less than one third the number of developers. Yes, shortening the voting period has been such a *fun* experiment. I think that using

Re: Ballot for leader2008

2008-04-13 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 10:46:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:44:12 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But I see how it would help if the CFV was more verbose about that, and less verbose about other things. It goes on and on about the technicalities of

Re: Ballot for leader2008

2008-04-13 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 10:40:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If you think the vote period is too short, then I suppose there is the option to see if other people consider it so too, and see if you can redo some of the constitutional amendment that was passed by acclaim last

Re: Ballot for leader2008

2008-04-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:44:09 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Huh. Looking at the ballot: , | ... | Do not erase anything between the lines below and do not change the | choice names. Yes, you see, that's the point - the text just starts talking about not erasing something.

Re: Ballot for leader2008

2008-04-13 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 02:51:59PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I propose that you make the beginning look like this: HOW TO VOTE First, read the full text of [...variable data...] The ballot is a small text form that is included below. It is cast by sending a filled out and

Re: vote

2008-04-13 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 08.04.2008, 12:39 +0200 schrieb Frank S. Thomas: On Tuesday 08 April 2008 12:17, Nico Golde wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e [XXX] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre [XXX]

Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008

2008-04-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:49:22 +0100, Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 08:15:36PM -0500, Debian Project Secretary wrote: The last time we had such a low turn out was in 2001, and then we only had less than one third the number of developers. Yes, shortening the

Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008

2008-04-13 Thread Luk Claes
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:49:22 +0100, Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 08:15:36PM -0500, Debian Project Secretary wrote: The last time we had such a low turn out was in 2001, and then we only had less than one third the number of developers.

Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008

2008-04-13 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 02:56:04PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:49:22 +0100, Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 08:15:36PM -0500, Debian Project Secretary wrote: The last time we had such a low turn out was in 2001, and then we only

Re: Ballot for leader2008

2008-04-13 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:12:20PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: Can you present a sample ballot for, say, DPL election 2009? It might help to see a full ballot and compare the points of difference. Will do (in another mail). Here it is - with some other changes while I was at it. (I

Re: Ballot for leader2008

2008-04-13 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 23:45 +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. Suggesting to vote for Choice 2: John Doe 2 ? :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008

2008-04-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:58:34 +0200, Luk Claes [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You can express your opinions on this list without any problem, though your opinion should not be expressed in an official reminder to vote Why not? I hold these opinions about the processes I am following as a

Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008

2008-04-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:25:19 +0100, Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: When you send an email with From set to Debian Project Secretary, you are supposed to cater to the opinion of the community, which was No, I am not. The opinions of the community have little to do with the

Re: vote

2008-04-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:42:05 +0200, Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Also wondering, since Nico’s replies were signed: Would it have been possible to redirect his reply to the voting address and thus change his vote? If done with the right timing, he might not have a chance to react

Re: Ballot for leader2008

2008-04-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:12:20 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well, I don't think that's really important to the typical user - people just want to know about the part they have to send back in. Whether you call this the ballot or the part of the ballot you have edit in order to

Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008

2008-04-13 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 04:45:02PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If ever I were to even consider basing my actions on your judgement, I will take this under advisement. I have never been one for a robotic secretary. Indeed, every CFV past the first one has some commentary on how

Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008

2008-04-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:14:06 +0100, Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 04:45:02PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If ever I were to even consider basing my actions on your judgement, I will take this under advisement. I have never been one for a robotic secretary.

Re: Ballot for leader2008

2008-04-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:45:55 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Here it is - with some other changes while I was at it. (I also couldn't find the references to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the CFVs. Should there be some?) I guess. It seemed pointless before, since you already have

Re: Ballot for leader2008

2008-04-13 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 05:25:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: b) move the address to send the ballot to up front, where we mention it. Good idea, and it can't hurt to repeat it. Maybe also warn against group-replies? I personally think that we should discourage such public voting, but

Re: Ballot for leader2008

2008-04-13 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Sunday 13 April 2008 16:25:40 Manoj Srivastava wrote: NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is in the Debian keyring. The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail

Re: Ballot for leader2008

2008-04-13 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Manoj Srivastava dijo [Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 04:59:03PM -0500]: Well, I don't think that's really important to the typical user - people just want to know about the part they have to send back in. Whether you call this the ballot or the part of the ballot you have edit in order to vote,

Re: Ballot for leader2008

2008-04-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, OK, another draft, now incorporating the last two suggestions. I added a mention of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] location. Now, GR votes have different wording: the full text of the GR and amendments is included if it is short, or a pointer is put in for the vote page

Re: Final call for votes for the debian project leader election 2008

2008-04-13 Thread Luk Claes
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:58:34 +0200, Luk Claes [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You can express your opinions on this list without any problem, though your opinion should not be expressed in an official reminder to vote Why not? I hold these opinions about the