Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-09-22 Thread MJ Ray
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ===Begin resolution text=== The Debian Project has been watching the case around the Mozilla Project's EULA requirement for people wishing to use their trademarks from a distance. This is an issue that has

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-09-22 Thread MJ Ray
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is a head-in-sand attitude. Well, that's certainly blunt and honest, but it probably unfortunately makes it clear that there's no room for discussion if your first reaction is that negative. I don't think

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-09-22 Thread Russ Allbery
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Arguing that the debian project is necessarily only packaging and distributing software and mustn't ever do anything else seems rather narrow. That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that we should not take positions on general political matters around free

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-09-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Charles Plessy dijo [Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 06:50:00PM +0900]: Le Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:17:18AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : For those of you who're not aware: the Mozilla Foundation is now forcing people who want to use their firefox trademark to display an EULA Hi Wouter, haven't

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-09-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Russ Allbery dijo [Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:23:13AM -0700]: Personally, I'd rather that we not do this. There are other organizations that specialize in this (the FSF, for example), whereas Debian specializes in producing a distribution. That is a head-in-sand attitude. Well, that's

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-09-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Russ Allbery dijo [Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 01:56:32PM -0700]: That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that we should not take positions on general political matters around free software that don't affect us. This is for a variety of reasons: * lack of competence (other organizations are

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-09-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Gunnar Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We, Debian, are often seen as among the groups that most takes care of the Free Software-definig freedoms. Many people will base their stand on a Free Software-ish project according to what we say. It is not the first time this happens. And it won't be

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-09-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Gunnar Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery dijo [Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 01:56:32PM -0700]: That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that we should not take positions on general political matters around free software that don't affect us. This is for a variety of reasons: * lack of

Re: Proposed vote on issue of the day: trademarks and free software

2008-09-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 07:39:43PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Russ Allbery dijo [Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 01:56:32PM -0700]: That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that we should not take positions on general political matters around free software that don't affect us. This is for a variety