Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-19 Thread Ben Finney
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 09:00:02AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > > Whether loaded by the kernel or present on the chip, we have > > promised that works without source code will not be distributed in > > Debian. > > "We"? That's what I wrote, yes. I, like

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 09:00:02AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > Johannes Wiedersich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Ben Finney wrote: > > > The Debian system we provide is usable. There may be devices which > > > are not yet operable with Debian, > > Which wireless card is supported by debian witho

Re: Dwindling popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW, regarding "trolling by an minority". Besides that I think it speaks poor > to dismis arguments by calling them "trolling", I'm happy that Robert and > Manoj save me from writing many mails, by mostly saying what I wou

Re: Dwindling popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Wednesday 19 November 2008 01:36, Ean Schuessler wrote: > Neither do I. To your point... if Ubuntu being popular isn't a problem then > maybe Ubuntu is the right way to install Debian + proprietary firmware? I dont see the point. Debian and non-free works just fine here. And that's also w

Re: Dwindling popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 04:35:04AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > Anyway, we all know Ubuntu is just a crappy overlay on top of Sid, > bundled with proprietary blobs. Please keep your opinion on off-topic matters to yourself or voice them elsewhere. This list is bad enough to read as is right now

Re: Dwindling popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Michael Pobega
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 06:36:20PM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: > - "Bas Zoetekouw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > To be honest, I don't consider this (i.e. Ubuntu being popular) to > > be a problem at all. > > Neither do I. To your point... if Ubuntu being popular isn't a problem > then ma