Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-04 Thread Chris Waters
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 05:27:26PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 03 Jan 2009, Chris Waters wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 09:17:28AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: (Don has, after subsequent argument, modified this to “… that you don't plan on ranking above Further Discussion”.)

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-04 Thread Ben Finney
Chris Waters xt...@debian.org writes: And how are we going to police this nonsense? Check the votes afterwards and sanction someone if they proposed or seconded an option and then didn't support it with their vote? That's just stupid. Indeed, and AFAICT no-one was proposing that. Don's

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2009-01-04 Thread Ean Schuessler
- Steve Langasek wrote: Yes, because it's not a supersession of the Foundation Document; it's either a position statement or an override of a decision by a delegate. Position statements are not binding; overrides of delegates can only override decisions that have actually been taken.

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-04 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Chris Waters said: I am also offended at the suggestion that ranking FD highly means you can't accept compromise. I'm sorry if you feel offended, but that's exactly what FD is supposed to mean. The only reason to vote FD is if you can't compromise on any of the

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2009-01-04 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Sun Jan 04 15:55, Ean Schuessler wrote: - Steve Langasek wrote: Yes, because it's not a supersession of the Foundation Document; it's either a position statement or an override of a decision by a delegate. Position statements are not binding; overrides of delegates can only

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2009-01-04 Thread Ean Schuessler
- Matthew Johnson wrote: Yes. Come back when Lenny is released (and I'm also keen to see a GR to clarify all this) So how about that release Lenny with DFSG violations GR that needs to pass with 3:1? I bet if it is clear cut that it will pass easily. After that we can move on to

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2009-01-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 03:55:43PM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: - Steve Langasek wrote: Yes, because it's not a supersession of the Foundation Document; it's either a position statement or an override of a decision by a delegate. Position statements are not binding; overrides of

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-04 Thread Chris Waters
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 10:07:51PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Chris Waters said: I am also offended at the suggestion that ranking FD highly means you can't accept compromise. I'm sorry if you feel offended, but that's exactly what FD is supposed to mean. The

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-04 Thread Ben Finney
Chris Waters xt...@debian.org writes: So, according to your view of voting, if I actually would prefer further discussion (meaning that literally, and not with whatever magical special meaning you think it has on a Debian ballot), but am still willing to compromise and have opinions about

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-04 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 04 Jan 2009, Chris Waters wrote: Because not wanting any of the options, but still having (strong) opinions on which are more and which are less desirable is still a valid position--one I find myself in frequently IRL. It's fine to rank options you prefer further discussion to, because