Re: what should the DFSG apply to?

2014-03-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 03:42:43PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > I believe the DFSG should ensure equality of access to works in > Debian. Thus it is my opinion that all items in the DFSG should apply > to the contents of all source and binary packages in Debian main and > that we should amend the DFSG

Re: what should the DFSG apply to?

2014-03-23 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > You mean you want to go through GR 2004_003 *again*? That GR passed and was about the SC, not the DFSG. Personally I think it was a mistake to not change the terminology used in the DFSG at the same time as changing the terminology in the

Rationale for CoC proposal A

2014-03-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi list, I'm sorry to be doing this in the middle of campaigning, but this will come to a vote pretty soon, and I don't think I want to wait until it's too late. Candidates can ignore this (unless they want to comment, of course). I'd like to propose a rationale for option one on the ballot, if I

Re: what should the DFSG apply to?

2014-03-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 03:25:46PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > You mean you want to go through GR 2004_003 *again*? > > That GR passed and was about the SC, not the DFSG. Personally I think > it was a mistake to not change the terminolog

Re: Rationale for CoC proposal A

2014-03-23 Thread Ean Schuessler
What if the DPL begins to consider persistent disagreement with the DPL as a form of "flaming"? - "Wouter Verhelst" wrote: > I'd like to propose a rationale for option one on the ballot, if I > may: > > Rationale: > Allowing the DPL to update the Code of Conduct will make it easier > to >

Re: what should the DFSG apply to?

2014-03-23 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > We have a consensus now that everything in Debian should be free, > even those parts that some don't consider to be "software". I agree with the rest of your post but I don't think we actually have consensus here. -- bye, pabs http://wi

Re: Rationale for CoC proposal A

2014-03-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 02:45:10AM -0500, Ean Schuessler wrote: > What if the DPL begins to consider persistent disagreement with the > DPL as a form of "flaming"? We can then override the DPL's decision, or recall the DPL. Also, there is a second option on the ballot. You don't have to agree wit

Re: what should the DFSG apply to?

2014-03-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 08:40:52AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > My point is that that GR was highly divisive, and had far-reaching > repercussions beyond what the original proposers had expected. We have a > consensus now that everything in Debian should be free, even those parts > that some don

Bug#742453: ITP: geophar -- Swiss army knife for the math teacher

2014-03-23 Thread Georges Khaznadar
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Georges Khaznadar * Package name: geophar Version : 13.04.5 Upstream Author : Nicolas Pourcelot * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/geophar/ * License : GPL-2+ Programming Lang: Python Description : Swiss arm

Re: what should the DFSG apply to?

2014-03-23 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 22/03/14 at 15:42 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > To the candidates, > > Some parts of the DFSG seem like they do not apply to some types of > works. In particular, items 2, 6, 7 and 8 seem to not apply to things > that are not "programs". Much of the DFSG doesn't seem to apply to > things that are n

Re: non-free?

2014-03-23 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi Paul, On 22/03/14 at 17:43 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > To the candidates, > > Which packages from Debian contrib/non-free do you use or have installed? Without trying to get a cleaner sheet first, vrms says: Firmwares, documentation (make-doc, manpages-posix{,-dev}), rar (I had to open a RAR 3.

The Code of Conduct needs specifics

2014-03-23 Thread Solveig
Hi! [short version: The Code of Conduct should be vastly rewritten. Yes, *before* voting on it] A few days ago, i saw the proposal for a Code of Conduct. First I was very glad, then I read it and was perplexed. I made some research, which confirmed my suspicion: the Code of Conduct that is actual

Re: The Code of Conduct needs specifics

2014-03-23 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Solveig, On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 02:31:54AM +, Solveig wrote: > [short version: The Code of Conduct should be vastly rewritten. Yes, > *before* voting on it] > A few days ago, i saw the proposal for a Code of Conduct. First I was > very glad, then I read it and was perplexed. I made some r