GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
[ Cross post -vote, -project ; M-F-T: to -vote. For more background information on the development of this proposal, see https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00274.html ] I'm hereby formally submitting the GR proposal included below between dashed double lines, and calling for seco

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Stefano Zacchiroli , 2014-12-01, 12:20: === The Constitution is amended as follows: --- --- constitution.txt.orig 2014-11-17 18:02:53.314945907

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Mon, 2014-12-01 12:20:25 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > === > The Constitution is amended as follows: > > --- > --- constitution.txt.orig 2014-

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Ricardo Mones
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:20:25PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > [ Cross post -vote, -project ; M-F-T: to -vote. > > For more background information on the development of this proposal, > see https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00274.html ] > > I'm hereby formally submitting

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 1 décembre 2014, 12.20:25 Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > I'm hereby formally submitting the GR proposal included below between > dashed double lines, and calling for seconds. With respect to past > discussions on the -vote mailing list, this is the proposal code-named > "2-S"; see [1,2]

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Stefano Zacchiroli (2014-12-01): > === > The Constitution is amended as follows: > > --- > --- constitution.txt.orig 2014-11-17 18:02:53.314945907 +0

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Stefano Zacchiroli (2014-12-01): > === > The Constitution is amended as follows: > > --- > --- constitution.txt.orig 2014-11-17 18:02:53.314945907 +0

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Colin Tuckley
On 01/12/14 11:20, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > === > The Constitution is amended as follows: > > --- > --- constitution.txt.orig 2014-11-17 18:02:53.3

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
On 2014-12-01 12:20:25, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > === > The Constitution is amended as follows: > > --- > --- constitution.txt.orig 2014-11-17 18:02

Alternative proposal (+call for seconds): Expire 2-R members every year

2014-12-01 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
[ Cross post -vote, -project ; M-F-T: to -vote ] Hi, I am hereby formally submitting an alternative proposal, between double-dashed lines below (formally it's an "amendment", but I don't expect Stefano to accept it, as we discussed it before). I am also calling for seconds (see below). =

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:20:25PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > >=== >The Constitution is amended as follows: > >--- >--- constitution.txt.orig

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 12:20:25 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > [ Cross post -vote, -project ; M-F-T: to -vote. > > For more background information on the development of this proposal, > see https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00274.html ] > > I'm hereby formally submitti

Re: Alternative proposal (+call for seconds): Expire 2-R members every year

2014-12-01 Thread Sam Hartman
=== The Constitution is amended as follows: --- --- constitution.txt.orig 2014-11-17 18:02:53.314945907 +0100 +++ constitution.2-R.txt2014-1

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:20:25PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > [ Cross post -vote, -project ; M-F-T: to -vote. > > For more background information on the development of this proposal, > see https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00274.html ] > > I'm hereby formally submitting

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, December 01, 2014 12:20:25 PM Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > [ Cross post -vote, -project ; M-F-T: to -vote. > > For more background information on the development of this proposal, > see https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/11/msg00274.html ] > > I'm hereby formally submitting t

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Colin Tuckley
On 01/12/14 16:50, Scott Kitterman wrote: > As an amendment, I propose the transitional measure be removed. Why not support the amendment from Lucas instead which has more or less the same effect? Colin -- Colin Tuckley | +44(0)1223 830814 | PGP/GnuPG Key Id Debian Developer | +44(

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, December 01, 2014 04:59:53 PM Colin Tuckley wrote: > On 01/12/14 16:50, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > As an amendment, I propose the transitional measure be removed. > > Why not support the amendment from Lucas instead which has more or less > the same effect? It has the ~same effect righ

Re: Alternative proposal (+call for seconds): Expire 2-R members every year

2014-12-01 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 1 décembre 2014, 14.37:30 Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > I am hereby formally submitting an alternative proposal, between > double-dashed lines below (formally it's an "amendment", but I don't > expect Stefano to accept it, as we discussed it before). I am also > calling for seconds (see belo

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Hubert Chathi
On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 11:50:27 -0500, Scott Kitterman said: >> --- >> >> As a transitional measure, if this GR is passed after January 1st, >> 2015, then the provision of section §6.2.7.1 is taken to have >> occurred on Januar

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, December 01, 2014 12:28:58 PM Hubert Chathi wrote: > On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 11:50:27 -0500, Scott Kitterman said: > >> - > >> -- > >> > >> As a transitional measure, if this GR is passed after January 1st, > >> 2015,

Suggestion to simplify clause 2. (was: Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte)

2014-12-01 Thread Philip Hands
Scott Kitterman writes: > On Monday, December 01, 2014 04:59:53 PM Colin Tuckley wrote: >> On 01/12/14 16:50, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> > As an amendment, I propose the transitional measure be removed. >> >> Why not support the amendment from Lucas instead which has more or less >> the same effe

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 11:50:27AM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > We discussed, and I thought there was consensus around, the idea that > due to the recent ctte churn, the transitional measure was no longer > needed. You recall correctly, but a simple removal of the transitional measure would hav

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 09:12:47PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > But right now, I'm not sure to understand what your main concern is, and > I'd appreciate if you could elaborate a bit more. With the current > transitional measure, the proposal 2-S will de facto do nothing for a > full year. Th

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, December 01, 2014 09:12:47 PM Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 11:50:27AM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > We discussed, and I thought there was consensus around, the idea that > > due to the recent ctte churn, the transitional measure was no longer > > needed. > > Y

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Monday 01 December 2014 12:20:25 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: [snip] > +6. If the Technical Committee and the Project Leader agree they may > remove or replace an existing member of the Technical Committee. In the special case that a member is replaced, the new member "resets" it's st

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 11:50:27AM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > +7. Term limit: > > + 1. On January 1st of each year the term of any Committee member > > +who has served more than 42 months (3.5 years) and who is one > > +of the two most senior members is se

Re: Alternative proposal (+call for seconds): Expire 2-R members every year

2014-12-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 02:37:30PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > The TC might be temporarily weakened by having more young members; While this is conceivable, I don't think it's even remotely likely in practice -- there is a huge pool of brilliant people in Debian to draw from, and the work unde

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 01/12/14 at 21:12 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > But right now, I'm not sure to understand what your main concern is, and > I'd appreciate if you could elaborate a bit more. With the current > transitional measure, the proposal 2-S will de facto do nothing for a > full year. The first expiri

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 01/12/14 at 15:43 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > Yes. The goal of the proposals is to turn over approximately two per year > and > we've just lost three, so I think that's reasonable. Proposal 1 (Stefano's) puts a lot of emphasis on the removal of the two most senior members. Imagine for a

Re: GR proposal, Call for Seconds - term limit for the tech-ctte

2014-12-01 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 03:05:11AM +, Anthony Towns wrote: > If it's just unclear, maybe adding "with the first expiry not > occurring until Dec 31st 2015" to the transition statement would help? If there is a strong desire to clarify the language further, I wouldn't mind formally accepting th