Steve McIntyre writes:
..
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 12:51:10PM +0200, Philip Hands wrote:
>>Debian with the non-free drivers...
>
> We're talking about non-free **firmware, not non-free
> **drivers**. Sorry to play the pedant card here (and I know you know
> the difference!), but this is a common
Tiago Bortoletto Vaz writes:
...
> I'm wondering how the d-i team feels about that (having the image with
> non-free
> bits called unofficial). Or whether it makes any sense at all, say, having
> such
> an essential component developed by fellow Debian members, using official
> Debian resources
Hello,
I hereby propose the following alternative text to Steve's original proposal.
=
The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer images
and live images) containing packages from the non-free section of the Debian
archive available for d
On 8/23/22 10:53, Simon Josefsson wrote:
"Andrew M.A. Cater" writes:
In practice, the free installer is useless on its own.
That is not my experience -- I'm using Debian through its installer on a
number of laptops, desktops and servers, and for my purposes it works
fine and in general I hav
On 8/23/22 18:24, Ansgar wrote:
I don't
know much 10+ years hardware still in productive use...
For ecological reasons, we decided to try (whenever possible) to use
servers as long as possible, as much as 15 years. In many cases that's
possible. For example, old Dell PowerEdge R610 servers ca
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 11:14:38AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> For ecological reasons, we decided to try (whenever possible) to use servers
> as long as possible, as much as 15 years. In many cases that's possible. For
> example, old Dell PowerEdge R610 servers can be equipped with 2x newer CPUs
Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-24 10:12:48)
> =
>
> The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer images
> and live images) containing packages from the non-free section of the Debian
> archive available for download alongside with the free me
Moin
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 11:05:21AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> My recent experience with servers (10 and 25 Gbits/s dual port SFP+) is that
> you need firmware for network cards when running with:
> - Broadcom (bnx2 / bnx2x)
> - Qlogic
> - Intel (they partially work without the firmware-mi
Philip Hands dijo [Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 10:10:49AM +0200]:
> IIRC the "official" thing came in because someone produced a CD for a
> magazine cover for some early release (1.2 maybe?) that was actually
> slightly pre-release,
1.0, no less. With all the magic that 1.0 implies.
> because their publ
Hi Steve,
Thanks for this. I have two questions about your proposal. Apologies
if these are answered elsewhere already.
On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 08:58:21PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> I'm proposing to change how we handle non-free firmware in
> Debian.
> So, I propose the following:
>
> ===
Gard Spreemann dijo [Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 08:58:47AM +0200]:
> On August 23, 2022 5:38:52 PM GMT+02:00, Simon Josefsson
> wrote:
> > I have no problem
> >with builtin non-upgradeable firmware -- see
> >https://ryf.fsf.org/about/criteria for rationale.
> Hi!
>
> I've always had a really hard tim
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 04:39:27PM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 06:20:15PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
>
> > With this GR proposal there would no longer be an installer without those
> > non-free bits.
>
> Would you consider proposing an alternative ballot option,
I just di
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 10:12:48AM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> I hereby propose the following alternative text to Steve's original proposal.
>
> =
>
> The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer images
> and live images) containing packag
On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 07:14:26PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-24 10:12:48)
> > =
> >
> > The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer images
> > and live images) containing packages from the non-free secti
On Wed, 2022-08-24 at 10:10 +0200, Philip Hands wrote:
> Does anyone still mass-produce CDs?
I don't know about mass-produce, but surprisingly there are still
Debian CD vendors in parts of the world where Internet is everywhere.
https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
> I think we could simply forge
Hello all
El 24/8/22 a las 10:12, Bart Martens escribió:
Hello,
I hereby propose the following alternative text to Steve's original proposal.
=
The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer images
and live images) containing packages fro
Hello all
El 22/8/22 a las 19:32, Gunnar Wolf escribió:
I hereby propose the following alternative text to Steve's original
proposal.
I'm only suggesting to modify the third paragraph, offering to produce
two sets of images (fully-free and with-non-free-firmware), being the
later more prominent
Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-24 23:08:12)
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 07:14:26PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-24 10:12:48)
> > > =
> > >
> > > The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer
> > > images
> >
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