On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 11:39:42AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Bart Martens dijo [Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 11:59:44AM +0200]:
> > > > If you mean official media, this is more radical than Steve's proposal.
> > > > It would permit arbitrary non-free packages as long as users were
> > > > informed.
> > >
Bart Martens dijo [Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 11:59:44AM +0200]:
> > > If you mean official media, this is more radical than Steve's proposal.
> > > It would permit arbitrary non-free packages as long as users were
> > > informed.
> > >
> > > If you mean unofficial media - that's the status quo. In whi
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 04:18:19PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-26 10:02:16)
> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 07:06:01AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > [...] it lacks a detail I find crucial:
> > > Explicitly spelling out whether or not images containing non-free
Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2022-08-26 16:18:19)
> I still urge you to make explicit what will not change. Perhaps borrow
> from Simons text, if you (like me) like that?
...Simon Richter!
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Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-26 10:02:16)
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 07:06:01AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > [...] it lacks a detail I find crucial:
> > Explicitly spelling out whether or not images containing non-free bits
> > are official part of Debian or not. Personally I find it obvious
Quoting Simon Richter (2022-08-26 15:01:41)
> IMO: Both installers should be on the same download page, with a brief
> explanation on who should select which (like we used to have in package
> descriptions), and possibly a longer page explaining this in more detail.
[...]
> Key design points:
>
Hi,
On 8/23/22 22:22, Bart Martens wrote:
Debian would recommend the one with non-free-firmware, for the
purposes of enabling users to install on current hardware, but both
would be available.
Do we need to recommend one above the other? I'd rather use some short
explanation per installer to
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 11:31:19AM +0100, Phil Morrell wrote:
> From absorbing this lengthy thread, my impression is that most folks are
> considering the nature of "officialness",
I would keep that separate from this GR.
> therefore I'd like to ask any
> proposed text to elaborate on intentions
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:12:24AM +, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote:
> In fact, I am not sure if there are any real world examples of modern machines
> that would work properly without such firmware. Are there any machines on the
> market nowadays that do not require cpu microcode and do not require fir
From absorbing this lengthy thread, my impression is that most folks are
considering the nature of "officialness", therefore I'd like to ask any
proposed text to elaborate on intentions for what "Official Debian"
means such that voters can express their opinions on this aspect.
* Images are offici
First of all, thanks everyone for working on this. It's much needed.
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:22:39PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> Do we need to recommend one above the other? I'd rather use some short
> explanation per installer to help the user choose.
My main concern is that users should end
On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 06:36:36PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 08:18:55AM -0700, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> > Hi Bart,
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 10:12:48AM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > > The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer
> >
On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 08:18:55AM -0700, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> Hi Bart,
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 10:12:48AM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer images
> > and live images) containing packages from the non-free section of the D
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 07:06:01AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> [...] it lacks a detail I find crucial:
> Explicitly spelling out whether or not images containing non-free bits
> are official part of Debian or not. Personally I find it obvious that
> anything that would not be allowed into mai
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