Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-06 Thread Bart Martens
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 11:00:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 08:33:51PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > > > >On Sun, Sep 04, 2022 at 03:43:3

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-06 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Bart Martens (2022-09-07 00:27:40) > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 11:00:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 08:33:51PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Bart Ma

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-06 Thread Bart Martens
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 11:00:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 08:33:51PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > > > >On Sun, Sep 04, 2022 at 03:43:3

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 11:56:23PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: >On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 08:25:44PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> No, it doesn't. > >> Your words may cover where those packages are *today*, > >Exactly. > >> but they most likely will *not* be in "non-free" when we come to make >>

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-06 Thread Bart Martens
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 08:25:44PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 08:33:51PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > >On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > >> >On Sun, Sep 04, 2022 at 03:43:3

Re: supermajority requirements and their inheritance (was: Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware)

2022-09-06 Thread Richard Laager
On 9/6/22 01:09, Ansgar wrote: You can argue that the developers making the installer and live images, and those maintaining the website can make those decisions. You can even say that they have made decisions. So those options could be seen as overriding a Developer, using the power of the Techn

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 08:33:51PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > > >On Sun, Sep 04, 2022 at 03:43:36AM +0700, Judit Foglszinger wrote: > > >> > I hereby propose the fol

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-06 Thread Judit Foglszinger
> > > = > > > > > > The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer > > > images > > > and live images) containing packages from the non-free section of the > > > Debian > > > archive available for download alongside with the free media in a

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 08:33:51PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: >On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: >> >On Sun, Sep 04, 2022 at 03:43:36AM +0700, Judit Foglszinger wrote: >> >> > I hereby propose the followi

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-06 Thread Bart Martens
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 05:26:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > >On Sun, Sep 04, 2022 at 03:43:36AM +0700, Judit Foglszinger wrote: > >> > I hereby propose the following alternative text to Steve's original > >> > proposal. > >> >

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: >On Sun, Sep 04, 2022 at 03:43:36AM +0700, Judit Foglszinger wrote: >> > I hereby propose the following alternative text to Steve's original >> > proposal. >> > >> > = >> > >> > The Debian project is pe

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-06 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, Sep 04, 2022 at 03:43:36AM +0700, Judit Foglszinger wrote: > > I hereby propose the following alternative text to Steve's original > > proposal. > > > > = > > > > The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer images > > and live ima