Re: new proposal: free and and non-free installers with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Holger Levsen dijo [Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 03:00:26PM +]: > hi, > > I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like > proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image. > > Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable > Debian installer images, for those

Re: new proposal: free and and non-free installers with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 9/14/22 17:00, Holger Levsen wrote: hi, I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image. Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable Debian installer images, for those cases were some included non-free

Re: new proposal: free and and non-free installers with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Tobias Frost
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 03:00:26PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > hi, > > I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like > proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image. > > Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable > Debian installer images, for those

Re: new proposal: free and and non-free installers with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread David Prévot
Le 14/09/2022 à 17:00, Holger Levsen a écrit : hi, I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image. Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable Debian installer images, for those cases were some included

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Bill Allombert
Le Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 12:37:08PM +0200, Philip Hands a écrit : > Simon Josefsson writes: > > ... > > I agree it doesn't make sense for either organization to change > > approach. I do believe that what we are seeing in this vote, however, > > is that Debian _is_ changing tactics: rather than

Re: new proposal: free and and non-free installers with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Judit Foglszinger
On Wednesday, 14 September 2022 22:00:26 +07 Holger Levsen wrote: > hi, > > I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like > proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image. > > Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable > Debian installer images, for

Re: new proposal: free and and non-free installers with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Étienne Mollier
Holger Levsen, on 2022-09-14: > Proposal F > > This ballot option supersedes the Debian Social Contract (a foundation > document) under point 4.1.5 of the constitution and thus requires a 3:1 > majority. > > The Debian Social Contract is replaced with a new version that is identical > to the

Re: new proposal: free and and non-free installers with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 03:00:26PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > hi, > > I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like > proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image. > > Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable > Debian installer images, for those

Re: new proposal: free and and non-free installers with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Timo Röhling
* Holger Levsen [2022-09-14 15:00]: hi, I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image. Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable Debian installer images, for those cases were some included non-free

Re: new proposal: free and and non-free installers with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 03:00:26PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: >hi, > >I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like >proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image. > >Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable >Debian installer images, for those cases

new proposal: free and and non-free installers with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Holger Levsen
hi, I'm looking seconds for this new proposal below, which is like proposal E plus *also* offering free installer image. Rationale: we should keep producing fully freely distributable Debian installer images, for those cases were some included non-free stuff else might limit distribution, eg to

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Philip Hands
Simon Josefsson writes: ... > I agree it doesn't make sense for either organization to change > approach. I do believe that what we are seeing in this vote, however, > is that Debian _is_ changing tactics: rather than providing a 100% free > Debian (guided by the DSC/DFSG) and using that as a

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Bill Allombert
Le Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:23:05AM +0200, Simon Josefsson a écrit : > > However, I'm pointing out that Debian generally follows a different > > tactic. And I don't think that it would be a good idea for Debian to > > switch tactics. > > Right, I agree, although my perception is that Debian is

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Bill Allombert
Le Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:17:16PM +0200, Tobias Frost a écrit : > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 07:10:24PM +, Bill Allombert wrote: > > Le Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 02:37:49PM +, Bill Allombert a écrit : > > > Le Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:56:07AM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin a écrit : > > > > Do you too

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Simon Josefsson
Lucas Nussbaum writes: > On 13/09/22 at 14:49 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> Lucas Nussbaum writes: >> >> > Right. I think that it's important to realize that the FSF and Debian >> > use different tactics to promote Free Software. The FSF focuses on >> > promoting a clean ideology to the

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-14 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 13/09/22 at 14:49 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum writes: > > > Right. I think that it's important to realize that the FSF and Debian > > use different tactics to promote Free Software. The FSF focuses on > > promoting a clean ideology to the point of ignoring practical