ly easy to get tax
> exumption for them.
Likewise in Denmark. Volunteer-run non-for-profit organizations
automatically are not tax subjects at all. But tax-deductable donation
status must be explicitly applied for, and is likely to succeed only
for groups with serious puppy-eye causes to appeal to.
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unsatisfactory.
We'll only get a problem if the candidates get so many that the
developers don't have time to get a proper impression of each of them
and decide how to rank them. But I don't think that will happen until
we reach something like 15-20 candiates.
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they are not phrased carefully enough to work
reliably as a bright-line test.
The decision whether or not to consider some software free *is*
eventually a matter of opinion, even though that opinion should be
guided by the DFSG. As such, it can be settled by GR.
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against "further discussion".
Anthony's formal non-acceptance of the amendment just means that his
original proposal will still be an option on the ballot.
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gt; What is K?
1. Go to <http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution>.
2. Search for "K is".
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icense, and lives in a state that does not issue these famous
> "non-drivers licences")?
Of if you are hospitalized or have a 24/7-on-call job that prevents
you from going to show stuff to Manoj in person? Tough luck. The
_canonical_ way to vote is to have a key in the keyring,
easier on everybody.
> if so, i would like to see the credentials in a) printed directly on
> the media to prevent contamination to the archives.
Huh?
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help with
this situation?
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> All these guys are really good..
You can't possibly mean that.
> can't they all be the Debian Project Leader... I mean like all at
> the same time
No. Read the Constitution.
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| expected to release later thi
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Scripsit Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Correction: they *claim* they will support each release for 18
> months. I can not only do that, I can call forth spirits from the
> vasty deep[0].
Why, so can I.
(cue: threadmorph to stock sexist language debate).
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Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Schuldei)
> On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 12:13:27PM +0000, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Let me give an example: Right now we have n maintainers having mp3
> players in the archive. They decide to form a group to improve the
> mp3-player situation in Debian
program in
1930's Russia?
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Scripsit MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Will anybody ever, in any context, get told: "You will have to route
>> that request through your team leader"?
> It's actually pointless to put it quite like that i
sed to form them ourselves?
And whomever has not gotten into a team when the teamification
deadline rolls by is just thrown out of the project? Or is arbitrarily
assigned to some team?
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they prefer to avoid IRC which is a stupendous timesink) be able to
contribute to the project in your model?
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[http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2005/03/msg00075.html]
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nitude.
Indeed, I would be reluctant to vote for any candiate who would commit
to twenty-four definite answers as part of his campaign, no matter
what the answers were. We don't need a leader who sees that kind of
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iling lists, with no editorial opinion
being expressed.
> Can you cross-reference the stories?
No, but if you go to ~henning/brainshare/dwn on master and grep for
your name, you will find the issue numbers that your points originate
from.
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lly have to wonder what you'd have to do or who you'd have to annoy
> to get blacklisted from DWN.
Indeed, who'd have thought that, say, Anthony and Branden would be
co-leaders of the same cabal?
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wouldn't want to miss it.
> It's worrying that other groups think similar "Newsletter of Record"
> publications will help them and so make rods for their own backs.
Dude, what is your *problem*?
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Scripsit "C.M. Connelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I second Branden's nomination to run for Debian Project Leader.
DPL nominations do not need sponsors.
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Scripsit Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> If someone would like to provide a 40 char description of the
> proposal for the ballot, I'll modify my draft ballot.
How about
[###] 5. Don't release sarge until it is 100% fre
Scripsit Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 06:44:39PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> > Yes it is. You are the official that the proposals aim to overrule. It
> > is important whether or not you would consider the proposed text as an
> > actu
Scripsit Graham Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 07:11:57PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> > The Delegate in question has to decide for himself whether the
> > language in the GR Overrides his decision or not.
> No, I don't think it works like
Scripsit Graham Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 06:39:41PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> > Would you please make up your mind: Will you, or will you not, allow
> > yourself to be overruled by a GR, without the tech ctte's involvement?
> Isn
in democracy IS a waste of time as long as you,
as an appointed official of the project, refuse to disclose whether
you consider the proposal clear enough to be considered an order or not.
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o, it's not.
Yes it is. You are the official that the proposals aim to overrule. It
is important whether or not you would consider the proposed text as an
actual decision to overrule you.
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Scripsit Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 10:30:34PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> > It makes the difference that if such a GR wins the vote, we will not
> > have to wait for the tech ctte. Some people, including me, would find
> > that high
Scripsit Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> leave the guy alone. he's told you what he's willing and not willing to do,
Yes... eventually. But it took a lot of asking.
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Scripsit Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 07:23:03PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> > You have been asked whether (and which) one of the proposed GR's will
> > make the decision sufficiently clear to you that you will not need to
>
004-003.
With the obvious addition that, in case of proposal A this is only
true if sarge otherwise gets ready for release before September 1.
> and ask others (Anthony included) for differences between your
> interpretation and their interpretation.
That is what I am doing.
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s a consequence of my participation to date, and the way folks
> -- including yourself in the message I'm replying to -- are so heavily
> focussed on setting me up to take the fall for any problems.
Nonsense. Asking the five easy factual questions above does not equal
"setting you up
release of sarge can proceed according to the timeline and
practices that were current before 2004-003.
Comment has been (repeatedly, over and over) invited. It has also been
(repeatedly, over and over) declined.
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it *not* matter? If the purpose of the GR is to send a
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vote for is if one of the proposals will fail to do that.
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Not true. You have privileged access to insider information that
nobody else has, and you are asking everybody else to act in *absence*
of that insider information.
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ere's no point to that.
It seems that you include the entire body of voting developers in that
description. They are the ones who need the information you're
withholding in order to make a meaningful, reasoned decision *now*.
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say) mine, rather than expecting people to telepathically discover
which option it is that would not change his view of the situation?
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ing these lines with a torrent of
disclaimers saying that the descriptions are not attempts to describe
the full impact of each option, but in reality this will probably be
evident to any reader who genuinely does not know what this is about
("Postpone changes? Which changes?").
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placed by numbers. But it's a minor point.
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Scripsit Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 02:20:01PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> >3. A 3:1 supermajority want to fix the problem in some way or
> > another, but they disagree internally about which of the
> > proposals is a
Scripsit Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 02:20:01PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> >3. A 3:1 supermajority want to fix the problem in some way or
> > another, but they disagree internally about which of the
> > proposals is a
Scripsit Duncan Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 05:57:34PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> > (Rumor has it that we'll have a further proposal that explicitly
> > resolves to do nothing and let Sarge be delayed, but if so, it will
> > be easy
lute
uncompromising wording ('anything'), it might be difficult to defend
even the pragmatic interpretation that lets us distribute the GPL (or
its preamble). We might end up distributing no kernel and no libc...
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Scripsit Duncan Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 05:57:34PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> > (Rumor has it that we'll have a further proposal that explicitly
> > resolves to do nothing and let Sarge be delayed, but if so, it will
> > be easy
lute
uncompromising wording ('anything'), it might be difficult to defend
even the pragmatic interpretation that lets us distribute the GPL (or
its preamble). We might end up distributing no kernel and no libc...
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j's proposal as a *better*
solution than amending the Social Contract again, would not have any
interest in a dual-win outcome at all. They will, of course, rank E over
everything else and be happy with that.
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Scripsit Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I solicit comments about the above from -vote in general, but I
> > would especially like to hear reactions from the proponent of each
> > proposal.
> Given that mos
Scripsit Duncan Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 09:07:13PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> > [###] Choice A: Postpone changes until September 2004 [needs 3:1]
> > [###] Choice B: Postpone changes until Sarge releases [needs 3:1]
> > [###] Choi
j's proposal as a *better*
solution than amending the Social Contract again, would not have any
interest in a dual-win outcome at all. They will, of course, rank E over
everything else and be happy with that.
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Scripsit Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I solicit comments about the above from -vote in general, but I
> > would especially like to hear reactions from the proponent of each
> > proposal.
> Given that mos
Scripsit Duncan Findlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 09:07:13PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> > [###] Choice A: Postpone changes until September 2004 [needs 3:1]
> > [###] Choice B: Postpone changes until Sarge releases [needs 3:1]
> > [###] Choi
g one's ballot. This will, I
hope, be emphasised elsewhere in the calls-for-votes.
I solicit comments about the above from -vote in general, but I would
especially like to hear reactions from the proponent of each proposal.
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to hear another chorus of "Eek! We were
tricked into woting wrong AGAIN, and now sarge will still never
release, and will not support any modern display hardware when it
does, anyway".
Would an amendment to the amendment be relevant here (if it turns o
to hear another chorus of "Eek! We were
tricked into woting wrong AGAIN, and now sarge will still never
release, and will not support any modern display hardware when it
does, anyway".
Would an amendment to the amendment be relevant here (if it turns o
g less.
The point is that I don't se *any* reasonable use for such a listing.
> this is useful in itself.
How?
> it also has the advantage of being factual.
But meaningless.
> a license either satisfies a particular DFSG clause, or it does not.
O
g less.
The point is that I don't se *any* reasonable use for such a listing.
> this is useful in itself.
How?
> it also has the advantage of being factual.
But meaningless.
> a license either satisfies a particular DFSG clause, or it does not.
O
Scripsit Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 04:28:46PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> > The problem is that it would be hard to make use of such a line
> > without confusing uninitiated users. For example, if a package in
> > non-free had
>
Scripsit Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 04:28:46PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> > The problem is that it would be hard to make use of such a line
> > without confusing uninitiated users. For example, if a package in
> > non-free had
>
a good
attempt a such a classification.
A better start might be the list of common fallacies in Q11 of the DFSG
faq on <http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html>, but it would
take some additional work to structure it as a good classification
scheme.
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a good
attempt a such a classification.
A better start might be the list of common fallacies in Q11 of the DFSG
faq on <http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html>, but it would
take some additional work to structure it as a good classification
scheme.
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