Re: New section for firmware.

2008-12-23 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Loïc Minier wrote: If the intent is to include it in our CD-ROMs, I think some people will want a really really free CD-ROM which doesn't have this section. Or maybe an explicit debconf question about the non-free nature? This could make sure

Re: New section for firmware.

2008-12-23 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Didier Raboud wrote: And if this section is not considered part of the Debian system, why including software from it on the Debian CD's ? (The inverse question is to be answered too…) Because it might be required in order to install all that free

Re: New section for firmware.

2008-12-23 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Roeckx wrote: The idea is to create a new section that contains files like firmware images and FPGA data that gets written to the hardware to make it fully functional. It is not meant for drivers that run on the host CPU. [FWIW, I've been

Re: gr_lenny vs gr_socialcontract

2008-12-19 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava wrote: I suspect it would not be hard to create a non-free installer CD that obviates the requirement of a separate USB key for remote installs. If (almost?) everyone will use non-free stuff anyway, why not just make

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-18 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ben Finney wrote: The Debian system we provide is usable. There may be devices which are not yet operable with Debian, Which wireless card is supported by debian without any sourceless firmware, either loaded by the kernel or present on the chip?

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-18 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Ben Finney wrote: The Debian system we provide is usable. There may be devices which are not yet operable with Debian, Which wireless card is supported by debian without

Re: Proposed wording for the SC modification

2008-11-17 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ean Schuessler wrote: - Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not part of my GR as proposed and seconded. If anybody wants to change the words of either the DFSG or the SC they will need to propose an amendmend. As proposed

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-14 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava wrote: -- [Forward] - From: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:01:13 +0100 - code uploaded into another cpu (a device cpu, not a SMP cpu of some

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-14 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Millan wrote: May I suggest so-called \blobs\ or some indication that blob is an informal term? Informal like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob ? - From there it appears it is better described as 'binary blob' in order not to confuse

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-13 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ean Schuessler wrote: Johannes Wiedersich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would propose to create a new section of the archive, called 'sourceless' or such. Stuff within this archive doesn't have full sources. It is legally distributable and follows

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-12 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve McIntyre wrote: Absolutely. I'm looking into creating such unofficial CDs already as part of the regular builds. I think I agree with the suggestion of creating a new archive section for firmware - packages that are acknowledged to not

Re: Discussion period: GR: DFSG violations in Lenny

2008-11-11 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Can someone explain me why all these threads smell of gratuitous RM bashing? Simple statistics: there are many DDs, but only few RMs. Simple sociology: those who are content, don't complain. Those also don't go in

Re: Call for seconds: DFSG violations in Lenny

2008-11-10 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, Nov 10 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:27:59 +0100 Robert Millan wrote: I think you're trying to imply that somehow SC #1 and SC #4 are not consistent. That is, that our priorities are our